Vincent Li granted supervised hospital grounds pass… Review Board Rules

Less than two years after brutally murdering Tim McLean, the Review Board in Manitoba has decided that Vincent Li is well enough to grant staff supervised hospital grounds passes. This ruling was handed down today, despite the objections of their own Attorney General office that this would be ill advised and premature.

The order requires that two staff workers accompany Li and are equipped with either a two-way radio or a cell phone. The fifteen minute walks are to be incrementally increased to one hour, twice a day.

The order makes no mention of utilizing standard readily available technology such as the ankle bracelets used for tracking people under house arrest.

Read the complete order below:

PROVINCE OF MANITOBA
CANADA

Review Board

IN THE MATTER OF: Part XX.1 Criminal Code of Canada

AND IN THE MATTER OF: Vince Weiguang Li

ORDER

WHEREAS Vince Weiguang Li was charged that he:

on or about the 30th day of July, 2008, at or near the Rural Municipality of Portage la Prairie, in the Province of Manitoba, did unlawfully commit second degree murder on the person of Timothy McLean;

AND WHEREAS on March 5, 2009 in the Court of Queen’s Bench, at Winnipeg, Manitoba, Mr. Li was found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder;

AND WHEREAS pursuant to a Disposition made by the Review Board that came into force on June 5, 2009, Mr. Li has been detained in custody in a hospital upon conditions;

AND WHEREAS this matter coming on before the Review Board on Monday, May 31, 2010 for a Disposition Review hearing pursuant to Section 672.81(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada, in the presence of Vince Weiguang Li;

AND WHEREAS the Review Board has heard and considered all of the evidence, including the testimony of Dr. S. Kremer, treating psychiatrist, the victim impact statements filed in these proceedings and the submissions by counsel which constitutes the record of these proceedings;

AND WHEREAS the Review Board has taken into consideration the need to protect the public from dangerous persons, the present mental condition of Mr. Li, his re-integration into society and his other needs;

AND WHEREAS it is reasonable and desirable and in the interests of Mr. Li that he continue to be detained in custody in a hospital upon conditions;

THEREFORE, pursuant to Section 672.54(c) of the Criminal Code of Canada, the Review Board orders that Vince Weiguang Li is to be detained in custody in a hospital, subject to the following conditions:

1.That he reside on the locked forensic ward at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre, Selkirk, Manitoba;

2.That upon the recommendations of the treatment team, the person in charge of the hospital may grant staff supervised hospital grounds pass privileges, subject to the following provisions:

i) passes start at fifteen minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of one hour, twice daily;

ii)the treatment team is of the opinion that his condition is stable and that it would be appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward;

iii)while he is away from the locked ward on any supervised hospital grounds passes, he is to be escorted at all times on a two-to-one basis by two staff members who are equipped with either a two-way radio or a cell phone;

iv)security staff at the hospital are informed when each grounds pass is to occur;

3.That if he is required to leave the hospital grounds for any reason, he is to be escorted at all times by a peace officer;

4.That he present himself before the Review Board as directed by the Chairperson thereof;

5.That he keep the peace and be of good behaviour.

TAKE NOTE that pursuant to Section 672.91 of the Criminal Code of Canada, a peace officer may arrest a person without a warrant at any place in Canada if the peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the person has contravened or wilfully failed to comply with a disposition made by the Review Board with respect to that person or any condition of it, or is about to do so.

THIS DISPOSITION comes into force on the 7th day of June, 2010, and shall remain in force until further disposition by the Review Board.

DATED this 2nd day of June, 2010, at Winnipeg, Manitoba.

John Stefaniuk, Chairperson,
Manitoba Review Board

6 thoughts on “Vincent Li granted supervised hospital grounds pass… Review Board Rules”

  1. @Brittany

    People in prison are behind fences.

    The reality is that, however regrettably; some people are just broken. Li is broken. It’s a human failing that we think we can solve every problem. We can’t. Li’s illness is poorly understood and like I said earlier: mentally ill patients will choose to go off their meds more often than not. I have a mentally ill family member who was in fact, hospitalized; I have seen this for myself.

    Li CHOSE to stop taking his meds.

    I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand. I am sure if you watched the news the night of Tim’s murder like I did and saw the people on the bus like many people did, you’d have a different perspective on this whole thing. At least, this is my hope for you.

    Consider this pretend situation:

    Someone who is sane has too much to drink, gets into a car and kills someone while under the influence. That person has a memory loss due the the amount of alcohol used and has no recollection of the incident.

    Do we let that person go after he sobers up? NO.

    THAT person is held accountable once he regains his senses.

    Another situation:

    A man walks in and finds his wife in the middle of *ahem* with another man. He FREAKS and kills them both. When questioned he basically says he doesn’t know what came over him and he’s appalled by his actions. Does society say: OKAY, you can go..

    NO.

    WHY, when someone has a mental illness do we afford them so much slack? WHY if and when they regain their senses do the mentally ill not have to account for past actions?

    Why not ask revenue Canada how it feels about unpaid taxes??

    Speaking of which: say whatever you want Brittany. This issue is not about mercy.. It’s not about justice. It’s not about about doing the right thing. It’s about MONEY. Just like everything else.

    Here’s something else.

    If you get caught with drugs, look at a cop the wrong way or are caught on the wrong side of a custody dispute, the lopsided hand of “justice” will come crashing down on you. When YOU ask for mercy they’ll tell you you knew what you were doing, even if you’re stupid.

    Why does a smart, but insane man like Li get treated differently? When in the past years have other patients at Selkirk mental hospital created such a stir.

    The province is deeply sorry about the timing of it’s decision to announce Li’s walks outside on the anniversary of Tim’s murder. I am deeply offended at the province’s sense of timing and obvious lack of compassion.

    There is a long, really long, laundry list of mentally ill people harming citizens. Authorities release these people over and over again because no one knows how to treat them, monitor them and care for them (because there is not enough money).

    Oh, but hey, the province is funding a human rights museum that the Asper’s don’t have enough cash for. Yay.

  2. Actually Rob, people in prison do get rights to go outside. Li is not legally a criminal and should not be treated worse than one. He should not be punished and deprived for actions which were completely out of his control and unintentional. Letting him outside on supervised walks, would not pose a risk to anybody! If it did, the doctors and review board would not have ruled in the manner they did. Li is much less dangerous than he was when he committed the act and is a completely different person. To deny him the basic human right of sunshine and fresh air, is inhumane and uncivilized. Being allowed to go outside would help facilitate his rehabilitation and treatment as confinement can often cause further mental illness, such as depression.

    Lisa: Li was not convicted of murder, he was found not criminally responsible of the crime. That means, legally, he is not considered to be a criminal. His mental illness is not an excuse, it is a reason. His actions were completely out of Li`s conscious control and were unintentional. He was not mentally present and was not aware of his actions, therefore, he should not be further punished and deprived. Letting him outside on supervised walks would not pose a risk to anybody. And if he did have an episode, he would simply be taken inside by the two staff members supervising him. It`s not like he is going to run away without somebody seeing him and murder somebody! He is not the same, dangerous person he was two years ago and we should not treat him as if he is.

  3. While i agree in principle with what Brittany said we don’t know enough about Li’s condition to let him out. Please, people in jail don’t get walks outside and in the majority of cases people taking meds for mental disorders will stop taking them at some point if not strictly controlled.

    Mercy: certainly. God demands this from us, Li’s freedom (from which is the end result of supervised walks) — no way. He was allowed to live, be treated in a medical system in one of the best countries to live in on earth. That was mercy.

    He does not ever earn the right to walk among the public after his horrific actions.

    This guy cannot be left out, and with the medical system in the state that it is, the chances that Li would slip through the cracks are high.

    I have a mentally ill family member and not only did she stop taking her meds she knew just what to say to the doctors too. Mentally I’ll doesn’t equal dumb and docile.

    Revenge? Isn’t that what you’d want? Revenge is just an extreme form of justice and quite honestly, these posts offend me. Never in my life have I wept over a stranger and their family – and that’s what I did when I learned of this crime.

    If you want to show us your mercy, go volunteer at Siloam mission or tend sick and old people- let’s call evil what it is and leave it at that.

    Tim’s mom: who do i call in government to protest this?

    If you plan a court date ti fight this I would like to be there.

  4. I am shocked when I know that I should not be. It’s bad enough that this man was convicted of 2nd degree murder instead of 1st. Maybe… MAYBE, his rights are being violated if he is not allowed out on these escorted passes. That does not change what he did. Mental illness or not, he took away Tim’s right to live. In doing so, I believe that he gave up his own rights. Why is he being given any type of opportunity to re-offend?? Please, someone explain to me what a two way radio or a cell phone is going to do if this man has another episode? This is our justice system hard at work and protecting the criminals instead of the public.

  5. I completely agree with allowing him to have supervised walks outside for sunshine and fresh air. Denying that basic human right, would be considered inhumane and uncivilized. Li is a different person mentally, than he was when he committed that brutal act on McLean. He has been attending treatment programming and taking medications. He is not nearly as dangerous as he was two years ago. Li is a victim of his mental disorder and needs to be treated in a humane manner and with dignity and respect. Confinement without seeing sunshine, will likely only worsen his mental condition and can lead to depression and erratic behaviour. There is absolutely no reason to be opposed to supervised walks outside, other than if you are seeking revenge, which is not justifiable.

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