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PETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

WHEREAS: Vincent Li brutally murdered Tim McLean in July 2008;

WHEREAS: Vincent Li was found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder for the murder of Tim McLean;

WHEREAS: offenders who are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder may be detained in treatment facilities and not prisons;

WHEREAS: offenders found guilty of first degree murder are sentenced to life in prison without parole for twenty-five years and those found guilty of second degree murder are sentenced to life without parole for a minimum of ten years;

WHEREAS: there is no minimum period of detention for offenders found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder and their cases may be reviewed every year by a Review Board Committee.

We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada call upon the House of Commons

To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a minimum period of time.

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  1. My heart goes out to Tim’s Family 💕
    NCR’s should not be able to have an absolute discharge

    Christa Boncheff
    Cannington Ontario L0E 1E0

  2. Donna Plett; Ontario; M5J 2H2

    I support Tim’s Law. I am a strong advocate of mental health rights and the vast majority of people with mental health problems are non-violent. However, once someone’s illness has resulted in taking someone’s life I believe they require ongoing supervision. The mind is a tricky thing, even in the best of cases. It will convince you that you don’t need your meds anymore, and it all goes downhill from there.

    I also think it’s ridiculous that there’s a 2-tiered justice system for NCR and others. The WHOLE justice system should be focused on rehab not punishment, but with eyes wide open that there are some people who cannot ever live fully independently. Again, minds are tricky things and some just need to be kept an eye on. That goes for all, not just the mentally ill.

  3. Tonight, in 2020, I am remembering/re-reading the horrific and terribly tragic story of the slaying of Tim McLean by Vince Li (who reportedly later was able to change his name to Will Baker), and I am doing so because I just heard that this monstrously sick killer is living in small-town MB, within a half-hour of my family’s home. So the ripple reflect of trauma and fear continues. There is absolutely NO sense in Canada’s judicial system and the treatment of NCR claimants. Even the wording makes no sense: if the act committed was criminal in nature, and a person commits that act, they ARE by very definition, responsible!! My safety, my child’s safety, the safety of my family, friends and community (all innocent, law-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying citizens of this country of Canada)…our right to live safe and secure and protected SHOULD and MUST supersede the so-called rights of incurable dangerous offenders, regardless of the reasons (excuses) blamed for the crime. It is a continuation of an unthinkable tragedy that a monstrous killer is free in this community. How on earth could anyone with a grain of sense ever trust the mind and future actions of one who committed such a gruesome act??? Regardless of the state of mind—or perhaps more aptly, PRECISELY because of the perpetrator’s state of mind—-anyone capable of committing heinous acts of violence against innocent victims should NEVER be allowed in free society, so that the members of that society may be protected! Tonight, in 2020, I am remembering/re-reading the horrific and terribly tragic story of the slaying of Tim McLean by Vince Li (who reportedly later was able to change his name to Will Baker), and I am doing so because I just heard that this monstrously sick killer is living in small-town MB, within a half-hour of my family’s home. So the ripple reflect of trauma and fear continues. There is absolutely NO sense in Canada’s judicial system and the treatment of NCR claimants. Even the wording makes no sense: if the act committed was criminal in nature, and a person commits that act, they ARE by very definition, responsible!! My safety, my child’s safety, the safety of my family, friends and community (all innocent, law-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying citizens of this country of Canada)…our right to live safe and secure and protected SHOULD and MUST supersede the so-called rights of incurable dangerous offenders, regardless of the reasons (excuses) blamed for the crime. It is a continuation of an unthinkable tragedy that a monstrous killer is free in this community. How on earth could anyone with a grain of sense ever trust the mind and future actions of anyone who committed such a gruesome act??? Regardless of the perpetrator’s state of mind—or perhaps more aptly, PRECISELY because of the perpetrator’s state of mind—-anyone capable of committing heinous acts of violence against innocent victims should NEVER be allowed to walk free among us. Doesn’t that just make sense? Canada’s laws need to be changed to protect the innocent!!! The protection, the help, the support must be with the victims, and with society as a whole, as opposed to the current system which seems geared moreso to protect and support the perpetrators. For a civilized country, it is a shamefully twisted system. My thanks to Tim’s mum for devoting such effort to trying to effect change in this country. My heart is with you and all of Tim’s family and all the families in Canada who have suffered tragedy. Meanwhile, Vince Li/Will Baker is free in this community, here, and what can we do but hope and pray that such horrors never recur to reach our own families.

  4. I support Tim’s Law
    Medication needs to be regularly monitored if the person has committed a violent attack/ murder. There should be no question. People need protection and families need justice

  5. I support Tim’s Law
    Medication needs to be regularly monitored if the person has committed a violent attack/ murder. There should be no question. People need protection and families need justice

  6. No one found NCR should be set free, all conditions stopped, after treatment. How many times do you hear of incidents happening because the person has stopped taking their medication because they believe they are ‘better’. There should be lifetime supervision of anyone who commits a crime & then is found NCR . To ensure they continue to take their meds, to observe their actions, moods etc. but mainly to ensure the public’s safety. Thank you

  7. I believe in what Carol de Delly is trying to change. I actually would rather NCR are never released. I also believe in the death penalty more so for persons deemed NCR. I don’t like this term, they are more dangerous than a sane person that commits murder.

  8. Randy J Smith; Alberta; T2L 1L6

    Should have saved our tax dollars with a single RCMP bullet

  9. As a Canadian, it is our responsibility to provide the following:
    1) Respect for the pain that Tim’s family has gone through. Nothing in this world can bring him back, that is a tragic loss for all Canadians.
    2) Support Li in his recovery, there are many people with mental health issues not all of them kill other individuals. As Canadians, we need to demand a system that supports these individuals as well as protects the safety of all individuals. There should be an institution available for Li where he can recover and where the state is responsible for his actions. This is a community and society problem that needs to be addressed so that no one else’s life is lost.

  10. Sorry, but your first premise is false.

    “WHEREAS: Vincent Li brutally murdered Tim McLean in July 2008”

    Vincent Li did not murder anyone. Murder is a word with a specific legal definition in Canada, and Li’s actions were not found to be murder.

  11. Dear Carol. I am awfully sorry about the loss of your son, Tim. It does not make sense that a dangerous offender should be let out of prison/care so easily. The ‘experts’ that made this decision should take turns having Mr. Li live with them for the next 5 years, Then see what they think about releasing him.

      1. 13 officers committed suiside over this vince li injustice, its no longer what the gov. says ,but we must guess what they are not saying…we are shocked vince li is totally free no record, his family must be very important for the defence minister to put forth NCR law to free this prick. at least send him back to china?

  12. I strongly support this petition ! I even doubt Vince Li has no mental illness and mental illness is just the excuse to escape from crimal responsibility !

  13. Vince Lee should never have made it off the bus…..the RCMP should have used common sense and ended his life. I know the policy of he RCMP is not to kill in this situation , but no one would have EVER have questioned killing in this horrific situation. Vince Li should be locked up in a mental health facility FOREVER.

  14. Couldn’t it be said that a majority of the people currently locked up have a mental disorder? How much is Vince Li’s lawyers being paid to put him back out on the streets when Tim Mclean never will! Justice system DO YOUR DUTY AND STOP THIS!!!

  15. Why on earth would anyone in government, medicine or law think that letting someone free, after they did a horrific act such as Vince Li, so they could potentially do the same to someone they know. I’m guessing Vince Li has some money behind him and therefore the justice system works in his favor. Sickening. Embarassing. Disgusting. Ashamed to be Canadian.

  16. I have remained horrified by this crime since day one.
    I cannot even begin to imagine what the nightmare that passes for life must be like for Tim’s family and friends.
    We, in Canada, do not need this murderer in any way.
    He ought to be allowed to die.
    Any sane human being, having done such a thing, and having realized that he had done such a thing, ought to want to die. There is nothing he can do to make reparations whatsoever. Unless and until he is completely forgiven by all of Tim’s family and friends.
    I would like to see him locked up forever, until he dies, until he chooses to take his own life, or until he is forgiven.
    We do not need him in any way.
    He has my permission to go.

  17. So he doesn’t take his meds, he kills again and us Canadians have to accept it. Yes the I’ll need help but the don’t get cured.

  18. We have people like Steven Avery, San Antonio 4, Adnan Syed, Dixmoor 5, David Milgaard and then polarizing Vince Li, Jeffrey Arenburg, Michael Stewart and most recently Jeff hopefully we’ll get it right this time Weber albeit from different countries but either or, the courts, Canadian or American just can’t wait to give these “people” all the freedom in the world.

    Us, the people, are screaming from the side lines to bring the much needed attention to the injustices. The system is broken. The justice system needs to be redesigned, to protect the victims (this includes the wrongfully accused) not the other way around.

    Dangerous offenders need to be locked up, there’s no question about it.

  19. Black Diamond, AB
    T0L 0H0

    Canadian laws regarding NCR need to be changed and made more strict.

  20. Hi there,

    My greatest sympathies for what you are going through.

    I understand that the amount of politically corrective thought by people in this case would be extremely hard to handle.

    Vince Li is not the victim of circumstance, Tim was. Vince Li is a disturbing individual, and society should see all murderers as mentally ill.

    We live is a sad society in which career minded individuals look to prosper selfishly in the name of progress. Anyone saying Vince Li is a victim of Mental illness is a perverted individual.

    Justice should be served for Tim and the rest of society. This is a sad case in Canadian history and I truly hope it doesn’t become a landmark case.

  21. Absolutely support this Petition. Now Lee wants More Freedom & changed his Name !! This is unbelievable !! He needs to be stopped Now.

    1. To: Ms. De delley
      I admire your efforts to bring some sort of justice to the tragedy. You should NEVER apologize for what you are trying to do. Vince Li/ Will Baker is not sick, he is an evil, sneaky son of a bitchy mean that. I am disgusted at the way how drugs, mental illness, and every other victim garbage has been used by people and for people to not take responsibility for what they do. I am not a right winger, I’m actually a Lefty, who is tired of all this societal garbage. People need to be held accountable and they need to pay the price. The laws have to be changed, and implemented properly.

  22. I support this law 100% + another 100%. In 2007 I was attacked by my then boyfriend who after the attacked has been diagnosed with the exact same illness as Vince Lee.
    I survived , but I am blind in my left eye.. And have scars over my whole entire upper body.. From the knife he used!!! Emotionally,
    I still live everyday with this memory. The dr’s wanted me on a permanent disability. But I refuse!!! I work everyday helping others!! I just found out yesterday that after 7 yrs he got absolute discharge and is able to do as he pleases every day!!! Not monitored or supervised any longer.
    Now I need to learn all over again how to move forward with my life. Cause i feel like it’s May 24 all over again!

  23. He’s a dangerous animal and dangerous animals should be locked in cages. Away from he public. Who are these Mental Health professionals that deem this guy a low risk to the public? I bet they wouldn’t be saying that if he was moving in next to there houses. Outrageous!!

  24. My profound sympathy to Tim McLean’s family and friends.
    Our mental health system is totally broken, as a hospital psychiatrist told me recently: people cannot be compelled to accept help or medication, even when they are a threat to themselves or others. Those found not guilty of murder because of mental conditions face no consequences, let alone justice, while we actually betray the victim and his or her family.
    As a result, we have this tragedy, where a young man’s life was destroyed for no reason, and his killer is considered to be making progress, and is gradually being released more and more into society. However, there is absolutely no way to monitor his future behaviour, once the final stage of freedom is reached. There are no consequences, this is insanity, in the name of human rights and medical treatment/so-called-cures. I, and many others, believe that this is wrong. Mr. Li should be locked up for life.

    1. Yup agreed, I think the bleeding hearts, judges, lawyers, Physchiatrists should all be evaluated for mental illness as no sane reasonable human being would be so stupid to let him out. Its disgusting murder is a murder is a murder. A loser is a loser is a loser.

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  25. Vince Lee should be put away to protect the rest of the people in this world. No matter how you look at it, we are talking about a man who cut somebody’s head off on a bus. I personally have not ridden on a Greyhound since I heard of this story.

  26. I support Tim’s law, June 30 my sister was murdered in a camp by fox creek Ab. August 24 we find out if the guy is criminally insane:(

  27. Redditt, Ontario P0X1M0

    Tim, the victim can’t live his life, but the murderer can & will..That’s what “Canadian Justice” is all about. We HAVE to CHANGE THAT!!!!

  28. To even think that Li is not responsible for Tim’s death is in itself a travesty of the law. Oh wait a minute, I forgot there is NO law for killing someone while “pretending” to be insane.
    Insane or insanity, what a farce those words are when they are applied to any wrongdoings. Regardless of mental abilities, capabilities, or findings people who commit ANY crime should be held accountable because their body still followed through with the crime no matter where or how their mind was engaged. Therefore that body should be held in custody for the entire duration of
    time befitting the crime. ie: Murder = Life. The laws needs to be made harsher, stronger, and
    more attuned to the crime. Not guiltly by reason of
    Insanity, BULLS..T!

  29. Paula Bildfell
    Alberta
    T2X 3L2

    I watched the Documentary last Eve and was appalled. So many people’s lives changed forever and the criminal walks free unsupervised. No more Canada. Tims Law.

  30. Kelowna, BC
    V1V 1P3

    I hope this law passes. A young man was murdered and his killer should be held accountable!!

    1. why were the police told to stand down in the vince li? he should have been shot ,a boy with true mental illness on a street-car in toronto armed with a pocket knife and HE WAS SHOT DEAD, the danforth shooter had been caught the year earlier with 37 assult rifles, 4 killos of carfentinal, and cops knew this ,but called it mental illness, this minassian islamist who drove van into toronto crowd, killed 10 injured for life 16 is being called mental illness and not terrorist as he is? but the quebec mosque shooter.. he is a terrorist??? not at all

  31. I can’t imagine the pain of Tim’s family knowing this monster is already out! This is not right! He needs to pay for what he did. I can only imagine what may happen if he is out unsupervised and forgets to take his meds. Terrible!

  32. Castlegar, BC
    v1n4m6

    The system is failing these parents. Anyone who kills someone else is obviously not in their right mind. Forwhatever reason, even if he said god made me do it. The fact that police didn’t shoot him on the spot shows a huge disrespect for Tim Maclean’s family. The psychiatrists need evaluation. The recommendation to have this murderer released to continue living his life outside of s penitentiary is an extreme slap in the face to the family of this boy. I can’t believe how no one is thinking about the family and to the people who witnessed this crime. Knowing that this murderer is walking the streets is ludicrous. I had no idea that this law is this way. It’s downright insulting. Do the crime, do the time.In my small town of 10,000, police killed a man who was a drunk driver. No weapon. I’m still so shocked that police did not kill this man in the first place. Now he is being set free? Absolutely insane!!! These so called psychiatrists are advocating for a killer and no one is advocating for the parents.

  33. My condolences to the family,all the people on the bus and all individuals that witnessed this event. This horrific act affected every person on the planet. How on earth do we allow this individual to walk free is ludicrous. And the individuals that support that freedom, how do you sleep at night? Would you think differently if this had been your family member. People with power did nothing to intervene and over power and secure this individual when clearly there was so many options to do so. We are all unsafe when Canada allows someone as unstable as this their freedom. Perhaps the Docter that cleared this individual his freedom should have been on that bus to observe the events. I am sure his final decision would have been different.

  34. I am horrified and sickened by this outrageous law as it currently stands. It is a barbaric and ages old and needs to be changed!
    For Tim’s families…my heart actually aches for you. Tim seemed to be one of the bright and beautiful kids, that had a huge love for life!❤️ He would obviously approve of this law, and the support of a nation of people who are incredibly sad it has taken his sacrifice for us to change!!!
    I can Not imagine the grief you must carry! My husband and I watched the CBC show tonight and once again felt the fury we would and do feel as parents. I came away realizing I would kill that man by any means I could. What all of you are doing is much better, smarter and healthier! I applaud your push for this law for Tim! It is about time our law makers act, and change this law immediately! God bless all of you ❤️

  35. Vincent Li should be held fully accountable in a Canadian Court of Law. I support Tim’s Law. Prayers for Tim’s lovely family.

  36. I am sickened that this MONSTER is going to be Free to do the same discusting act that he did to Tim McLean. WHAT IS THE MATTER EIGH OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM! It is a Total JOKE!! What if something happened to these discusting lawyers and judges family members! Would things be different if it hit HOME for them! This poor excuse of a human being should NEVER be Free! He Wants to Die for crying out loud! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE!!! KILL HIM!!!!

  37. b.c. v9b 2c1 animals need to be put down. no one should ever have to live next to that sicko! he should have to live the people letting him out complete b.s.

  38. Who is responsible for allowing this man out in society? They should be assessed!
    He has ruined so many lives and we are allowing him the opportunity to hurt more people?
    Everyone in that bus and the entire family of Tim have had their lives changed forever.
    This guy is living the dream on our tax dollars. Makes me sick.

  39. Nanaimo, BC, V9V1K3

    Even if “mentally unfit” to stand trail at the time of being charged
    Once under appropriate medication and counselling the ability to
    Understand and acknowledge what they have done they should then
    Be accountable for thier actions whether being jail time or psychiatric
    Care for the length of time as the crime committed. At know time should anyone
    Accused of such actions be able to have unsupervised access to the public
    7 years after commiting such a horrific crime! My heart goes out to Tim’s
    parents and family.

    1. we expect the 3rd world godless foreigners to be what they are, china has human buns they eat, dogs cats, they should have been detoxified before intergrading into a polite cival society… oh yeah! canada has no identity according to quebec, no religion or freedoms anymore , we were sold and vince li family is illumanotti li family and weiguang owns much wealth, our soldiers died for nothing! the french (catholics-jesuites ) have been in leauge with the enemy for centurys, we have no recourse, suck it up and pray our God of heaven and earth delivers us from this evil?

  40. Absolutely not acceptable. Li took away life for many and should have every right taken away from him. Murder is murder. He should have all his freedoms and rights taken away.

    My heartfelt sympathy to the family and families of those affected by an unexcusable behavor.

  41. My heart totally goes out to Tims poor family, and this Li guy should never be allowed out anywhere on his own,ever.

  42. This Vincent Li should be locked up forever and throw the key away;;;so the story goes you can kill anyone,and claim your Mental;;;and get off scott free;;;;so its at the point that the average Canadian is not safe anywhere;with NUTS like him getting off with Murder;they know theres no penalty because our Laws are crazy we have lots of Laws ,but no one to enforce them;;for every law made,there is a way to get away with any law you break;;;just hire a high paid lawyer,,who then pays off the judge at the golf course,and the judge will remand the case over and over .as long as they are making money;;or the witnesses die of old age;;;The whole penal system is crooked to bad we got rid of the DEATH penality ;;;I agree with Tims law;;;;

  43. I just watched the program tonight on this story….. It broke my heart. I new some details but not to this degree. I have a young son could not imagine. I am disgusted that this monster can walk the streets and live his life, this just makes no sense to me. This says nothing for our system. Vince lee walks among us what will this take for him to put away forever. I’m all disgusted that the police let this happen for 4 hours…. Really!! What do you carry weapons for??.

  44. I hope I am signing this correctly. Postal code is T6V1C5, Alberta.

    Enough is enough, this evil man should never see the light of day. Support the Victims, they should be the only ones that get help, emotionally, financially what ever thet need, not this pure evil thing. People rob a bank at gunpoint and get more punishment than what this thing got, this is so wrong on so many levels.

  45. Don Cherry
    On, Can
    K0M 2C0
    Only in Canada do we let this happen and the Murderer walks free because he heard voices. Have we forgot that a man’s life was taken!! It seems our court system is more concerned with the murderer and his or her life rather than the deceased!! Unbelievable

  46. I have been sickened and sad over the needless death of that young man, Tim McLean, and now to hear that his murderer will go free with no supervision or controls, I am appalled.
    I feel that if Vince Li is found to be normal and healthy now, he should stand trial for first degree murder, and should be detained for a life sentence. If, after many years, he is granted parole, he should be under the control of the parole board for life, as are first and second-degree murderers. He should never, ever, be allowed to go completely free.

  47. I am sickened by this injustice. We need tougher laws in Canada. He should be committed for LIFE. He doesn’t deserve any freedom, period. Who’s to say he will stay on his meds and have continued assessments and monitoring ??? As an EMS worker, I have seen my fair share of patients who go off their medications and the majority of them have a history of Schizophrenia. It’s pretty damn scary.
    Tim deserves proper justice for such a horrific death and his family deserves a little peace and closure.
    Lastly, shame on the RCMP for allowing this disgusting act to continue for over FOUR HOURS. I can’t speak. Dispicable, disgusting, and inhuman.
    OL

  48. he is responsible for Tims death…. Period. What happens if he decides to not take his meds some day. The RCMP should have shot him… Period …. God help Tims family and all the peoples lives (witnesses) that have been affected by this.

  49. I support Tim’s Law. My heart goes out to his friends and family.

    Colleen Collins, Lindsay, Ontario Canada K9V 2W1

  50. Lethbridge, Alberta
    T1K 5S8

    My thoughts, prayers and supports remain with Tim and his family. Lost but not forgotten. 100% for Tim’s law!

  51. Alberta, T5L 0G5
    My heart aches for what your family has had to deal with. I pray that you find peace and comfort. I hope that you keep his memory alive, and keep the good memories present. I wish you all the best.

  52. Any crime so grossly revolting ‘GRC’ as to cause public fear and/or apprehension of harm in the public mind should automatically render the NCR offender “NON-Rehabilitation-Suited” ‘NRS’ due to non-human tendencies of the crime whilst unmedicated. Attempts to rehabilitate an NCRNRS offender violates the premise of ‘public good’ and has no place in Canadian community standards noting a special regard to perceived right to life in community without fear of GRCNRS non-fully-functioning-humans. Therefore severe penalties may also be levied for violating the public good by attempting to rehab an NCRNRS.

  53. This is absolutely ridiculous. A mentally ill man who commits such an act is possibly going to be out and about among society after only 7 years? The possibilities that he’s even faking being well under these medications just to be released is large. If he strikes again, I hope the justice system is prosecuted themselves. Bunch of idiots.

  54. Hi Carol. It’s Johnny, Ann-Marie’s brother. So very sorry to hear about Tim and my prayers are with you and the family. I’ve tried to find away of contacting you since Tim’s passing and I just now found this posting that was shown on CTV Winnipeg’s News. All I can say is that Tim deserves justice instead of BS. Whom is going to guarantee that Li takes his medication and are the doctors going to take “Full” responsibility if Li doesn’t and re-offends?? I think not. He should be locked up, under care, for the rest of his life where he can be properly monitored.

  55. Send this ANIMAL Vincent Li back to China his country of birth. I am really tried of the PM Harper that says it is hard on crime. But will not comment on this issue, I think we should ship Vincent Li to Ottawa and see how many Sitting members of Parliament will want that animal there with there children. My guess is that not one of the so called “elected members of the Federal Gov’t” want Vincent Li there!!!

  56. There is something seriously wrong with our society if Vince Li is ever in his lifetime allowed to walk our streets. Come on politicians, did your heads out of the sand and do something. I am enraged.

    1. Here we are and this man has now been given an absolute discharge. Something needs to be done to address this situation because it is totally unacceptable. We as Canadians need to take action and make it clear to both the judicial system and the mental health system that while we support and are for those that have mental health problems we do not support or tolerate murder or crimes against the innocent and as such we expect those crimes to receive just and appropriate punishment and the public to be protected not for the short term but the long term from people who pose any threat to our safety as shown by their previous horrendous acts. Vince Li’s acts speak for themselves. We as Canadian society have a right to be protected for life from such horrendous acts. For our system to suggest that we are now at the whim of this man’s potential insanity because his rights somehow in their eyes outweigh the rights of the whole of Canadian society goes to show just how far wrong both our judicial system and our mental health system have gone wrong in their thinking when weighing the rights of a violator against a victim and society in general. If Canadians do nothing to deal with this extreme atrocity and miscarriage of justice we can only expect more extreme crimes, with lighter sentences under the guise of “criminally not responsible” and more people like Vince Li walking our streets free with absolutely no supervision while victims lie cold in the ground because of them. We must stand up to this injustice for our own safety sake. Our government needs to hear that what has happened here is unacceptable to our Canadian society and that pendulum of tolerance and justice needs to swing back into a much more sane and realistic place.

  57. Many questions have gone unanswered! And now you are being questioned again. I’m so sick of hearing the families suffering not only a loss of life, but being disappointed by people who should be helping/saving/preventing/protecting their fellow humans. This is a disgrace to Tim, his family, and his friends. Shameful for Canada’s Justice System. You need to listen to your fellow humans, answer them and respond fairly. No one is above the law!!! As a human, your title means nothing, show some integrity and compassion for those lives lost, those who have lost and those who still struggle with grief. To Tim’s family, I wish you peace and I thank you for your strength in trying to protect our fellow hunans.
    Kitchener, Ontario
    N2R 0C2

  58. How sickening.. Please start an email petition through force change and change.org, we need to NOT have his killer released..For the safety of all. My deepest sympathies to the family.

  59. I fully support Tim’s Law. While science has evolved to the point that criminal behaviour and the cause for that behaviour is explained – it should by no means be excused. Granting and respecting Vincet Li’s human right to freedom – it is precedent setting andthe rest of the population is denied their right to move freely in our communities!

  60. We’ve heard all the excuses before,about why these people should not be held responsible, whether its Fetal alcohol syndrome, not being breast fed, or hugged enough as a child. But the facts are this guys was diagnosed in Calgary, his family knew this, his doctor knew this. As a professional or even a lay person, knows that is typical of these conditions that when they feel ok they decide “hey I don’t need these meds” and they go off them. I left the province, had a complete psychotic break and not only did that poor young guy die in the most gruesome way, his family and an entire busload of innocent bystanders were traumatized! If a grown adult is not responsible, his family and doctor are not responsible, is it any wonder why violence of such a brutal nature has become so common? It’s a sad friggin day when people are no one is held accountable for there actions, and the people that are punished are the victims and there families. It’s disgusting and must stop!!!!!

  61. I am sickened the fact there was no jail time. I am saddened for the family. My prayers to you all.

    Saskatchewan. S7L 3J8

    1. I am sickened by the fact that people don’t believe that mentally ill people can and do get better with the proper treatment. Vince Lee didn’t have a clue what he was doing was wrong. Today he does, give My Lee a break already, what’s done is done, Vince Lee is now better. This dumb ass Carol De Delly will go to her gravy not forgiving Vince Lee who was a sick man when he did that on that Greyhound bus.

    2. This has been a story that has greatly affected me..I pray to god justice will be served. I will forward this to everyone I know.

      Maple Ridge, BC

    3. There is NOT a Doctor alive who could EVER without question, tell a Judge and Jury, that this SOB is rehabilitated! This can NOT EVER happen that this guy should EVER be released back into society. He is SICK beyond reason, causing not just the Cruel Death to the Victim and pain to his immediate family, but others who witnessed, have stress disorders that may Never heal. Case in point is the RCMP officer, who recently took his own life due to post traumatic stress, having witnessed the horrific event. Grab a BRAIN Mr HARPER!!!!!! Sick or NOT, this guy should be locked up for the rest of his life, or even better, carry out his own wish, which was to be executed!

  62. Signing. Disgusting verdict and he’s granted more freedoms every day. I am sick to my stomach.

    Amanda Alberta Canada T3J 1W4

  63. I fully support Tim’s Law and have the heaviest heart learning the man who violently murdered him is walking free, and has not been detained for any reason other than to establish that he is not mentally competent to be imprisoned. I think this, among other atrocities committed in Canada shows a fundamental flaw in the Canadian justice system which has allowed heinous crimes to be shuffled about and minimized due to some mental debate. Whether or not the offender was mentally incompetent or unfit to stand trial DOES NOT excuse their actions, and no one, FIRST AND FOREMOST INNOCENT PEOPLE, should be thwarted from protection and piece of mind by such criminal oversight, especially one perpetrated by their own government.

  64. I am in favor of Tim’s Law. I agree with this petition, to change the Criminal Code of Canada as it applies to Not Criminally Responsible due to a Mental Disorder.

    Faro, Yukon. Y0B 1K0.

  65. There needs to be more acknowledgement and respect for the victims of these kinds of horrific crimes. We can show this in our society by holding the perpetrators of violence responsible for their actions. They owe a debt to the victims, the victims family and friends, and to all good citizens for their behavior. This, regardless if the reason for the violent act is deliberate malice, mental illness or some other reason. This debt should be paid, by keeping the perpetrators of violent crimes in appropriate custody – ie a prison, or mental health institution for the rest of their lives. Custody has to be mandatory and ongoing.

    In this manner, some justice is served for the victims and their families and at the same time, the public is kept safe from ever being victimized again.

    To the parents, family and friends of Tim McLean, please accept my sincere condolences for your suffering and this tragic loss. My heart goes out to you.

  66. As Tim’s mother stated on the radio several days ago, there is MORE help and support for Mr. Li – than there is for HER own family. There is no post-trauma care, no grieving support, no life support for her family. They have been completely and utterly forgotten, while it costs the CDN government approx. $100,000.00 a year to support Mr. Li.

    Why is there no support for Tim’s family? That is completely unforgivable and clearly demonstrates what has gone wrong in this country.

    Mental illness or not, our government needs to stop being so concerned about the “rights” of the criminal and start being concerned about the rights of the victims and their families.

    Someone has to monitor Mr. Li for the rest of his life. With our government track record, do we honestly think he will not slip through the cracks at some point? And then what will happen?

  67. We need justice for Tim, and his family; not for this CANNIBAL. His Canadian citizenship should be taken away, and deport him back, where he blelongs!

    1. Vincent Li is not a “CANADAIN CITZEN” he is a “LAND IMMIGRANT” of China and should be shipped back in a shipping crate at the first available time. I do not want to see his animal in any public place with any children in this city. Vincent Li new freedoms is a recipe for DISASTER waiting to happen. Only thing is when?

  68. Enough is enough!! He needs to go to prison for what he need and stay there forever. What he did is cruel and unacceptable.
    I never met Tim but his story stayed with me and he deserves to rest in peace.

    Nadia, Quebec, J6Y 0H1

  69. Vince Li has committed a heinous act in killing, beheading, mutilating and cannibalizing Tim McLean. Li needs to be kept in the Psych Health Care facility and be supervised when taking his medication. He should also NOT have unsupervised outings at all. Tim Mclean’s family has to be considered for they have suffered from the loss of Tim and will continue to suffer for as long as Li is given so many unearned privileges. Where is Tim’s justice?

  70. I am sorry I did not sign this petition sooner. I stand firmly behind this petition and hope that many more will sign. I will do all I can to make others aware that this petition exists, because I know residents of Winnipeg are sympathetic to this cause.

  71. I don’t think he should be allowed out at all after he brutally murdered Tim Mc Lean. It’s an insult to his family and to everyone who believes Vince Lee should be in prison in definitely!!!
    I’m so sick of this justice system, because murderers use excuse to kill their mental illness. Then if they are mentally ill lock them up to a mental institution in definitely, and or for life with no chance to get out at least for 25 years. I feel bad for Tim’s family, it’s like every time this killer get some attention in the news those family members are re victimized…. So sad, we definitely need a tougher system to punish people like Vince Lee or anyone who take away a human life. I just don’t think the law are tough enough , because if it was, may be less people would do such a horrific act like it happened in this case.

  72. To consider the freedom of one man at the expense of many is ridiculous. It’s extremely frightening to know that to ensure Mr. Li from going on another homicidal rage iis dependant upon him taking medication. No guarantees there. The health care professionals can say ‘low risk’ all they want, we want ‘zero’ risk.
    And the nature of his crime: so violent, so horrific, one cannot imagine, unless you were there. Can you imagine witnessing that???!! And Tim’s family, well, there are simply no words to describe what they have been through – the loss of such a beautiful young man. If Mr. Li were the decent man that has been described, maybe he could do the decent thing and insist he not be left to his own devices. We would all breathe a little easier.

  73. Please keep Vince Li in SUPERVISED care. We cannot risk such a horrendous event happening again. I am truly concerned that if Mr. Li is not closely monitored, there could be another tragedy. He has only had 1 year without hallucinations. His psychiatric team says it is in HIS best interests AND society’s best interests to have him released into unsupervised care to a group home. How is it in society’s best interests? And for that matter, Vince Li’s best interests? Ensuring he is properly treated should be the #1 priority for all.

  74. When I first heard of this story my heart broke for Tim and what horror he must have endured. I prayed for his family to have healing and peace. No family should have to endure such pain.
    I believe strongly in forgiveness and pray Tim’s family are able to give that to themselves. Saying this I do not believe the man who committed this crime should receive any freedom. Great he’s on meds and is remorseful but, he needs to stay locked up and given some jobs that will add to the good of society. If he’s truely remorseful he would himself understand the horror of what he did and that it could happen again and thereby chose to stay locked up. Show respect to Tims family and all their suffering.

  75. Keep him locked up! Letting Vince Li out in public is a horrible slight on the Canadian Justice system, shameful.

    1. Vince Li should be beheaded as well, immediately. Why even leave him rot in jail and we as tax payers have to pay for this sick mans help. He took such an innocents mans life, and wrecked their family for life. We as Canadians need to band together to end this.

  76. To Tim’s family – I’m so sorry for your loss.
    I feel terrible that his killer is allowed any
    Kind of freedom. Canadian law is truly unjust
    In this case. I hope the law will change .

  77. This Country disgusts me. I gladly sign this petition and feel so bad for this mother. What is wrong with Canada. Wake up!

  78. Tim did not deserve to die that day. In my eyes this man vince lee should be forced to live behind bars until he dies…….

  79. I’m saddened by the lack of compassion and support for tim and his family from our own Canadian system and sickened by how the Canadian dollars are being spent on helping this thing they say is a human…that is not human…canabalism is not human and they don’t just do it once or are magically cured and fit for society. For once could the government and legal system do something for the Canadians that have earned the right for freedom and protection and put that thing in a glass box or send back to his own country. Protect our society! Listen to your people that have earned that from you. So angry and sad that nothing has been done for tim and his family and the individuals and families to come cause he won’t stop there will be another time again again nd then what!?!

  80. I feel so sorry for Tim’s family. I understand Mr Li has an illness, but it does not excuse what he did. He should not be allowed to manage his life on his own and be under constant supervision. If this is his first offense without his medication what will he do next and to whom? God forbid it should be someone’s child…This case has not only caused the family of Tim Mclean but the family of the officer who committed suicide..We need to ensure that people who are ill and murder are not allowed to hurt anyone again. The irony here is my stepdaughter was to be on that bus that night. But we wouldn’t let her go as it was too late for her to be on there. I hate to think how traumatized she would have been. She totally supports your cause…and thanks us for being to vigil about not letting her go…

    1. Anyone person who commits an atrocity similar to what happened to Tim should be detained in a humane psychiatric prison facility for the rest of their natural life. Whether sane or insane, they pose the same threat to society once they are released. Who is going to shadow this man 365 days a year for the rest of his life to ensure that he takes his medication? And what does society really gain by claiming to have rehabilitated such an unfortunate individual – other than being able to claim that the rehab system really works? The “politically correct” authorities involved should be ashamed of themselves.

  81. So very saddened at the lack of justice that Tim has received. Our Government has not only failed Tim’s family but they have failed this country. Winnipeg, R3X2H4

  82. Tim was like a son to me. He spend many days and nights at my house. He will always be a part of my family. He will never come back, but we have the memories of the time he spent with us and I still hear his voice calling me “Mom” when he was over. I pray for justice and safety for all of us. If Vince Li is released, my family and I will always be afraid to cross the path with this man. As Carol has said in the past, he is doing well where he is, leave him there and keep us all safe. RIP Tim, we miss you.

  83. This man should be put behind bars and left to rot not let back into society. The specialists in this case are obviously idiots.

    1. I want to say that anyone with mental illness that is under treatment and refuses to take his meds is definately criminally responsible for his actions. Mr. Li had a Doctor that diagnosed him and therefore I think he is somewhat responsible as well. We are all too cavalair when it comes to the safety and well being of the general public. I grieve for the Maclean family, what a shame.

      Justice for Tim

  84. As a mother; as a human being; this is an unimaginable act. I am all for support of mental illness but I also believe mental illness of such magnitude and people who commit such act should NEVER be able to have freedom. Either prison or mental institution for life.

  85. The decision to allow unescorted trips is outrageous. Even if it was a guarantee he would never re-offend why should he have this privilege? This is a mockery of justice. Do what you want criminals; your actions have little consequence for your future. A personal slap in the face to the family that lost a loved one, I am sorry Mrs. McLean that you don’t even get to feel at peace with the fact that this man is getting what he deserves.

  86. I don’t agree that the person who did this is getting freedom after doing this. There should be true justice in cases like this

  87. There needs to be more concern for the victims than the offenders. Public safety is paramount and there needs to be change.

  88. Hamilton, Ontario

    My aunt was killed on Sept. 30, 2014 and, as far as I’m concerned, the police did nothing to protect her. There have been no charges laid and her son, who was living with her, also known to have assaulted her a number of times (police did nothing), has been mute on a mental health ward for many months. He has a history of mental illness and violent behaviour. I’m wondering what the police are waiting for. Surely the forensics are in. He should not be released into the community and, first and foremost, our family and the community should be informed of what is going on.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/patsy-lewis-61-id-d-as-guelph-gordon-street-homicide-victim-1.2795087

  89. Yet another horrible example of our justice and system. He killed a young man horribly in fact and decided on his own not to take his prescribed medication. What does the family get except short fond memories of there son. Mostly horrific thoughts of there sons last moments I’d guess. He get’s let free??? “Unsupervised???” What could go wrong here? The psychiatrist who let him go should have said he is free to go to jail. I strongly disagree with letting him out at all, supervised or not. He should pay for what he’s done not be rewarded. Shame on you and I fear for public safety. What a bad call, maybe you should change your career to a referee in the NHL where you’d fit in better.

  90. Alberta Resident

    With the shocking news this morning that I read Vince Li is going to be allowed on unsupervised, I am shocked and outraged.
    Whether sick or not, this man should be detained for public safety. Being unsupervised could mean going off his medication, and another horrific tragedy. Who will answer to Tim’s family and the other members that could be affected? The government? I doubt it.

  91. I cant believe that this man will be walking the streets again…Who will responsible If this guy re offends? Tim’s family must be just sick that this guy is gonna be free to kill again.

  92. Selkirk, Manitoba R1A 4G2

    There has to be a better way of dealing with cases like this!
    A way that will provide justice for the deceased, care for the
    Mentally ill, and safety for the public.

  93. It’s another tragedy waiting to happen. If his councillors and doctors are so convinced let him live on their street.

  94. Former Manitoba resident.

    It is all just so very, very wrong. Yes, he is mentally ill, but regardless of anything, he took another life, very violently and horrificly. It should be that ok, he is taking his medication now and appears better, move him into a prison where he will spend the rest of his life…not be allowed to go about life like nothing happened. The fact that he, years ago, was diagnosed and did not take medication or continue under a doctor’s care says A LOT. And the beheading on that bus that day was a result. As Tim’s Mom said, there is “no way to guarantee that Li will continue to take his drugs if he’s unsupervised”. He took a life. Prison for his. And if not, than the f’n psychiatrist that is making all these recommendations for his release into society should be held responsible for him…let Vince Li go live with him and his family. The whole thing is just ridiculously, incredibly sick and sad, and our system needs to totally be changed NOW.

  95. this is horrific.Can Tim Mclean go for a walk ,no he is dead.His mother and friends must be devasted.Wouldn’t we be if it was our child ????

  96. Should not be allowed back into society. Who knows when he is out that he will stop taking his meds. I don’t trust the situation.

  97. Something needs do be done !! A family has lost the life their child and the killer is out walking around this is not right this has to change the kill needs to be put behind bars and never let out !! What is wrong with the system !! My heart goes out to Tim’s parents family and stepmother

  98. I am horrified of this particular ??????? I don’t even know what to call it. I had heard of what the RCMP had done and I would love to sue their behinds off for their absolutely no regard for human life in this (situation)??? I think of Tim’s mother everyday and cry for her. I am livid at the legal system and how our CANADA displays total disregard for Tim’s life!!!!!!! or for anybody else’s for that matter.

  99. this man is evil and not punishing him is a gross miscarriage of justice to tim mclean. I strongly do not approve to let this man out of the mental asylum and fully agree with carol de delley who is merely looking for public safety despite her loss.

    Madam get out of canada and move to the US , i strongly condemn the injustice done to you

  100. This man is nothing but evil, he’s not a human being, If this stupid ass world we live in can’t punish him, sure as he’ll god will

  101. Brutal murderer. Throw his bitch ass in a lake full of alligators. He deserves to be eaten alive

    Vancouver canada

  102. Another killer in Manitoba just got his get out of mental ward papers 18 months after killing his father. Meds , AA meetings, and counselling since he murdered someone are all he needs to be let back in society according to the review board which is made up of 1 psychiatrist, 1 lawyer, and 1 tradesman. The crown prosecutor felt it was a mistake but that doesn’t matter as its up to the review board only, as too what a nut case murder’s fate will be. When he kills again they will be enjoying a nice supper with their friends and families no where near this nut case unless he decides to track them down to give them a big thank you present and send them off to heaven . Mystery pills, and drug addiction were mentioned as to some of the causes behind the murder but was there any investigation as too whether he actually had a drug abuse or drinking problem with the people and family that actually knew him? I seriously doubt it and they bought it Hook line and sinker.18 months for next murder or murders or maybe only a year next time as his meds were the fault this time and needed adjusting? Don’t be surprised as these psych mind readers are so sure that they can’t be fooled that their willing to put the rest of us non murderer’s at risk. Just a matter of time before the ramifications of these mind readers is felt by the innocent people of Canada, if it hasn’t already.

    1. If he kills or harms anyone again all those responsible for his release should be charged with murder and put in a cell along with him to finally protect the public from not only him, but from them as well, as they may have not only been responsible for his release but probably many others who its just a matter of time before they are no longer required to submit to blood or urine tests and proof that they are taking their meds. Its a proven fact that most mentally ill go off their meds many times during their lives or their meds are no longer working but very few kill people. These people are proven killers off their meds and its a no brainer that they will harm or kill again if the meds quit working or they go off them. If these boards are willing to take the risk of more lives by letting proven killers go than they should be held accountable and go to prison themselves. Common sense, due diligence, and safety of the public which the majority of Canadians want and should have the right to, is now gone .1 lawyer, 1 psychiatrist, and 1 tradesman(plumber,etc) are now responsible for your safety from nut case proven murderer’s.Disgraceful

    2. These proven murdering nuts will continue to be set free with no criminal record and are now changing their names so the public won’t know these pill reliant murderers are living next door and could be in a matter of 1 week from not taking their meds or their meds now are no longer effective, ready to kill you and your family.Time may prove that even ISIS is not as great a threat in Canada as these proven murdering nuts

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  104. And the thought of this animal back out on the streets sickens me! Sorry for you loss!

    Fort Nelson, BC

  105. Send him back to where he comes from.Nothing will ever change his ways.In a matter of days his evil thoughts will be back and he will take another life.Our doctors are all from Africa so why believe them?

  106. The Laws in Canada Suck!! Innocent people’s lives are worth nothing where as the Criminals lives are! I wish we could vote for our own Judges as they do in the United States. I know because of this creep and sicko I will Never ride the bus again for fear he could be on it again one day! My friends son said the same thing. 🙁 day for us Canadians.
    Penticton B.C.
    V2A 6V8

  107. Murder is murder. A life was taken and whom ever was responsible for that should take the consequences. If not then there will always be a loop-hole for every law. Many lives were damaged, ripped and shattered from under their feet and they will never be the same. So, why should the one who committed the offence be given the chance at a normal comfortable life when his freedom will make all the victims of that act uncomfortable, scared and nervous? What’s the point of having the law if things as bad as this will get past so easily? How is anyone supposed to feel our lives are safe in the hands of justice when something like this is so easily passed?

  108. Now that Mr. Li is better he should immediately be sent home to China. Anyone who commits a serious crime against our laws should lose their privilege to remain here.

  109. LI GETS OFF BECAUSE HE IS CHINESE
    STOP IMPORTING THESE PIGS!
    IF HE WAS NATIVE HE WOULD NEVER GET OUT! CANADA IS A CHINESE
    PIG NATION NOW!

  110. LI GETS OFF BECAUSE HE IS CHINESE
    STOP IMPORTING THESE PIGS!
    IF HE WAS NATIVE HE WOULD NEVER GET OUT! CANADA IS A CHINESE
    PIG NATION NOW!

  111. This is the most insane thing I have ever heard. This man should be held accountable for what he did and serve many years in prison.

  112. If you release him that is okay if you then arrest him for murder – as you are now indicating he is no longer in a mental state and could not be held responsible – if he is considered “repaired” he can now be held responsbile, arrested and obviously he knows what he did, why he did it, and should be punished accordingly.

  113. I believe that anyone with this type of mental disorder who takes the life of another person should never be allowed to be unsupervised. In this case this person has already demonstrated that he could not be relied upon to take his medication. Historically unsupervised passes eventually lead to release into society. When that happens who will ensure that he takes his medication? Would you like to live next door or be on a bus with him? I sure wouldn’t. I think he should be held in a secure locked ward in a mental facility for the rest of his life.

  114. If someone with a mental disorder is legally able to travel alone, then they should be legally responsible for their actions!

  115. This wasn’t a case of negligence causing death. This was an incident of such unthinkable brutality that imagining the actual incident in my mind makes me literally sick in my stomach to the point of actually throwing up. On the most compassionate level, I’m comforted to hear that the attacker is no longer deemed to be a blood thirsty raving lunatic but no rational person, no matter how compassionate, could ever agree with the notion of letting this person out of a locked mental rehabilitation facility.

  116. Because of the severity of the brutality….he should never see the light of day, let alone unescorted day passes !!

  117. Dawson Creek, BC

    My heart aches for Tim’s family they get no justice at all infact they are being laughed at by our judicial system they lost a son and no one seems to care about that!

  118. K8A 6W4

    The law is for protection of the people? Yeah Right. The law has become more about protecting the rights of the criminal and screw the people. Right now I’m not so proud to be Canadian. FIX THIS CRAP!

  119. Vincent Li does not belong back in society period! What the heck are these so called doctor’s thinking??? This is so awful for Tim Mclean’s family & friends to not only have to live with his loss & horrific death, but to know this killer now has the “right” to have unsupervised daytrips?! Are you kidding me, Vincent Li is a crazy, cold blooded murderer & should be locked up for good! I would like to see if any of these doctors would sit on a long bus ride with Vincent Li……I fully support Tim’s Law! I wish all of the family and friends of Tim Mclean all the luck in world to get this passed and I am so sorry for your loss!

  120. In my opinion anyone who kills is not sane but it does not give an excuse to kill. Mental illness should not be used as an excuse. Anyone can use that excuse but they should all be accountable for their actions.

  121. it’s like letting leather-face from Texas Chainsaw Massacre out if they had caught him only dummies could be fooled he’s smarter then they are who is saying he won’t do it again how do they get there % Murder 1 plus brutal crime life ,,,,,

  122. We worked with Tim .. sure miss his smile & kind heart.. my daughter has a “shooting star” tattoo with Tim’s name.. our prayers are with Tim’s family & the MANY victims! I feel that the nature & brutality of the crime can NOT be dismissed this easily, ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE!

  123. There is no guarantee that Vincent Li will not commit murder again. Therefore he should never be released. Better yet deport him back to the country he came from and let them deal with him. I bet he would be beheaded in seconds.

  124. The company and all my co-workers agree he should never ever be set free , yes I am a greyhound bus driver , our condolences to the family of Tim 🙁 this man should be held accountable for his actions !!!! Period or maybe the good dr should rent him a room in his home to live with his family if he’s so cured .

  125. I can’t even begin to imagine what the passengers on the bus went through, Tim, his parents, the bus driver and truck driver, the RCMP , all were affected for the rest of their lives! How can a person be put back into society! It is just wrong! We need to change the laws; insane people need to be held accountable for murder. They should never be allowed back into society if they have committed murder.

  126. He may have made progress, but he still took someone’s life and forever changed many other’s. He should be locked away in a dark hole until he dies.

  127. This man should be deported and jailed back in his own country. Our government should not be footing the bill to house him and care for him.

  128. It is attrocious that this is being allowed in a country that is supposed to be civilized. A crime and sin is just that. How dare this monster use GOD for such an excuse and crime

  129. It is fairly easy for a person to pretend they are insane. I saw it in my town when a man was choking his wife with his children trying to pull him off Mom. The police came to the rescue and saved Mom. The man did not serve any time in jail or in a secure facility for the insane. He simply had to undergo counselling on an outpatient basis. I totally support change to the current laws regarding criminal insanity.

  130. I grew up in a home with a mother and brother with sever schizophrenia. The fact that myself, my sister and father had no recourse to get them help as it would be an infringement on their rights, we had to endure their bizarre and violent behaviour which infringed on our rights, but that was okay… Not. I have no contact with my mother or brother as they refuse to get help through psychotherapy and refuse to take their medication. They cannot think logically as they are mentally ill, therefore the cycle just keeps on going and without medication psychotherapy can never be implemented as they will never admit there is a problem. Very resentful of the lack of mandatory therapy and medication the system here in Canada has in place. It destroyed my family.

  131. i am angry and appalled at the actions of the rcmp then the judicial system we need to be checked before boarding airplanes yet not buses or trains absurd the rcmp could’ve prevented the carnage that followed the beheading dead or not tim deserved at least that and if le gets out one day it will happen again and the blood will again be on transport canada the rcmp and the courts

  132. I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions regardless of your mental status you still commited the offense you should be held responsible and pay for your actions it seems like if you have a mental illness its ok to do whatever you want because its not your fault but you have the choice of seeking help if for some reason I hear a voice telling me to kill someone I am heading directly to mental health and getting help.

  133. Vancouver BC V6G 1N6
    The laws of Canada must change. Vincent Lee is a perfect example of someone who should be in a prison now that he is declared sane enough to be on unsupervised trips. He has not paid the price for the horrible injustice done to Mr. McLean. Justice has not been served. Canadians deserve better. Lee is likely to reoffend considering he knew he was ill before and chose not to take medication. How are the courts and medical establishment going to explain when someone else suffers at his hands?

  134. Winnipeg, MB, Canada. This should not have happened and Vincent Li should remain locked up. My prayers to out to all of his family, friends, bystanders, and passengers on the bus that healing my take place.

  135. The R.C.M P. should be sued for not taking the necessary action when Vincent Li was mutilating Tim McLean’s body. Why did they standby and watch the horrifying sequence of events ?

    Vincent Li should be held in a forensic psy. hospital for the rest of his life.
    If he is released into the community ,who will supervise him? if he goes off his meds he could easily commit another heinous act! He should be stripped of his citizenship and deported back to China

  136. I was watching 2/20 on the case of Tim Mclean. He makes me sick to hear this man gets away with a mental illness. Fine he can have his mental illness in his own country and let his own country deal with a sick and twisted person. If he, feels better after all these years fine, go to your own country and get your own country to pay for you to get better. If we don’t get the respect for this family and how they were treated by the murder and the RCMP well, this country has really gone to shit.
    Not one person in Canada care for Vince Li, nor do we want him on ours streets. Go back to your own country and quite wasting my tax dollars on someone who I don’t care to see if he gets better. He murder that young man and it was inhuman to hear what he did, I am sick to my stomach. Each case is different for a mental illness person. Yet Mr. Li is just an animal who needs to be in the jungle to live like a lion as that is the type of person he is. He new what he was doing what god would forgive someone like this, NOT ONE GOD. Ship him back to his own country let them deal with him.
    Ontario, Newmarket

  137. He was responsible as soon as he refused to take any or all medications, as soon as he tried to drive the bus away, and once he tried to jump out of the window. If they don’t go to jail, atleast they need to be in the hospital a lot longer then six yrs. I’ve seen drs under and over diagnose people with mental I’ll all my life. From begging emergency room drs to admitt my sister due to three attempts of suicides and my father as a paranoid schizophrenia. Just because he now says he knows how important it is to take his pills doesn’t mean he will take them. That poor boy and his family needs justice.

  138. Deport that insane fuck. Who wants crazy immigrants living in Canada anyways? All of our hard working tax dollars go to keeping people like this alive!? Vince Li does not deserve to be alive. Someone will have your head one day Vince, the voices inside my head tell me so.

  139. Too many mentally ill people that commit murders are walking the streets-free. You commit a crime-you do the time-whether it’s in a psychiatric ward or a prison..Someone’s life is worth a lot more than this. I and many others don’t have faith in our justice system and when you lose faith-in our justice system. When that happens, eventually-you start taking action in your own hands.We need to change these laws.

  140. I do believe people can be criminally insane, but should be held accountable for their actions, if they would have served 25 years in jail, they should serve 25 years in a mental health institution, no outings, especially for horrific crimes

  141. The injustice of this crime is outrageous! Sadly the laws in Australia are similar. ..I wish all Canadian ppl luck in getting through to your government and may the rest of the world follow suit. Blessing strength, victory and condolences the family. May justice prevail.

  142. The problem I have is how the Mental Health Community is so compassionate for these people but they do not live with them, deal with them or fear them. People who have mental disorders have the CHOICE to take their medicine but if they commit a harmful crime on another person they are diagnosed to be in a psychosis and are not able to so call understand their actions. Well, they made the choice to either take or not take their medicine and families are stuck dealing with the problem or society. They know. The Mental Health Community rely on the families which are unprepared to deal with this problem and the government restricts people who actually want to help these people with the privacy law.

    If someone commits a crime after they have gone off medicine they should be charged and prosecuted for their crime. If they can make the choice to go off their medicine they have to live with the consequences!

    There are thousands of people watching this because they live in fear of someone they know who has mental illness could possibly hurt them. I am one of them!

  143. It is a complete and utter disappointment that someone like Li shall be allowed to walk free after what he did. He should never have that privilege again. Mentally ill or not.

  144. Why are we keeping sick bastards like him alive???? There is no cure for someone that murders people as he did. The mourning family needs justice! Give them justice! Bring back capitol punishment!!!!

    1. These bleeding heart scumbags and politicians who created a system where the rights of murdering nut cases trump the rights of the law abiding general public have made this country a joke. Start charging anyone involved with the release of these nutcases with accessory to murder or whatever crimes they commit in the future and I think you will find the get out of jail free cards would stop quickly. Once you commit 1st degree murder you should be hung regardless of mental issues or not. I would not be surprised the way that this country and its politicians are ruining this country at a fast pace, is the next thing you hear is that these bleeding heart scumbags will be drafting up hate laws so people who move their family away from these nut cases after their back among us can be charged with hate crimes. These murders will have no criminal record so unless you do your research in old newspapers or on the internet you will not know that these murders are next door and only a couple of missed pills away from killing you or your family .This country and its laws are a Disgrace and a slap in the face of all its law abiding citizens and especially the families of people murdered or harmed by these sick 1 pill away murdering nut cases.

  145. He refused treatment so as far as I am concerned he should never walk free again. What is going to be his excuse when he stops taking his meds?

    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    R2W 0L1

  146. He should never be allowed to walk free!!!! The laws need to change to help the victims not the accused!!! Sad system we live in.

    1. I cannot understand how the police stood by and not do nothing, this Law has to come in for the family and the people on that Bus. God bless this family. from Mackenzie b.c.

  147. I wish there was already a law in place that enforced those who are diagnosed with a mental illnesses that can impair ones judgment to have to be medicated for the safe of not only others but them selfs.

  148. Mr. Harper, I know you are a very busy man, and we appreciate all that you do for our wonderful country of Canada but just in case you missed it, Vincent Li is now free to roam our homes and neighbourhoods with a free pass from his psychiatrist with no supervision. This makes me very very worried as I’m sure it does with everyone who is aware of the horrific
    murder of TIM McLEAN.
    I’m perfectly sure that now its been brought to your attention that something will be done to rectify this situation.
    He,(Vincent Li)should be stripped of his Canadian Citizenship and sent Back to wherever he came from, he does not deserve the honour of living amongst us.
    Yours faithfully,
    Gina E Tuli.
    God Bless TIM McLEAN and his family and friends.
    True Canadian Citizen.

  149. i CANNOT SEE LETTING THESE CRIMINALS OUT OF PRISON to walk the streets and probably murder again, I know several people with mental disorders that when they are feeling better with the medication they stop talking it and thats when they have trouble and have voices telling them to do horrendoous acts, keep them in an intitution for 10 years and then see if they have been helped. I agree with another post have the judge that has let these ppl out on the streets again to be responsible for them.

  150. This man should not be integrated in any way- ever. The family should have a say in this- not just the ‘professionals’ that see him in a controlled setting. Murderers that are not citizens of this country should be deported and made to serve the rest of their days in a secure prison. My condolences to the McLean family and friends. Tim seemed like a cool young man.

    1. on behalf of the family of Tim McLean,Thank you.vince li received his canadian citizenship in the same year as he was treated for schizophrenia 2005. I am Timothy’s mother I am aboriginal and the crown told me that vince li is as canadian as I am(in the eyes of the law). I beg to differ. Carol de Delley

      1. Carol:
        Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am so sad to hear these legal avenues seem to be in his favour. Please keep strong, and know that you have the support of the majority of Canadians who want to keep the memory of Tim alive- the well being of V.L. Isn’t even a concern.
        Love to you, your family, and Tims friends who are continuing this great work.

  151. Horrific. Inexcusable.

    This sick criminal, others,
    and even more so, our so-called law enforcement.

    The RCMP and SWAT team used to stand for something. It must be very hard these days for those still try.

    By watching and not preventing further unspeakable crimes to the body, after this brutal murder, are those involved not:
    Accessories, accomplices to same, including cannibalism!?!!!!

    Shame.

    The recent suicide of an RCMP “first responder” was most likely not only post-traumatic stress disorder, but rather, belated conscience or some form of honor catching up. It is all more than sad. Actually, unbelievable. How could they – 4 hours? Watching? A minute is too much. “Preservation of life policy” , huh? Whose life??

    Also, the psychiatrist who has such an enlightened view of Vince Li’s character and purposes should have him over for indefinite unsupervised sleepovers with those he most cares about, particularly the innocent, at his own home. The review board should have their individual turns, keeping in mind Li is taking his medication and is no threat, no supervision required…for what 12 hours a day now, 8…? Good luck. Who is next?

  152. Saying someone can’t be held responsible for murder due to mental health reasons is like saying a drunk driver can’t be held responsible for DUI because they didn’t know what they were doing. #justicefortim

  153. Lets not take away the Rights of the people that are Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder. Lets stroke their hands and try to understand why they made a mistake. Maybe they are so ill we should take care of them. To hell with the victims and their families. Why should the rest of us have any Rights? Maybe be should forgive and forget these … (people?) …. that commit such terrible crimes? Wait! Crimes? If it’s a crime; then it’s a “CRIME”.

    Ontario, P0B 1P0

  154. We say to the Canadian Federal Government to please put Vincent Lee in the same place that Tim is. Rest in peace.

  155. There needs to be justice. Absolutely unfair that the police didn’t deal with him until hours later. He needs to be watched at all times… He is dangerous and can hurt so many more.

  156. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family , i hope this LAW goes through so this doesn’t happen to anyone else

  157. I am appalled at the story, the RCMP’s response and the granting of such privileges to the killer, Vincent Li. He has proven that he is capable of horror and if he goes off of his medication or it becomes ineffective then what?

  158. my heart goes out to this family and all people afffected by thi brutal crime
    every Canadian out there should sign this petition and out goverment should listen

  159. this is outrageous that this man gets to walk around Selkirk M.B. with no supervision as a resident and a mother
    I am outraged this family has been thru enough , I don’t care how much revenue the mental hospital brings to this community we need to feel safe . Do the doctors that set him free on Selkirk live in Selkirk or have there families here . send him back to his own country and let them live in fear

  160. scott kerr
    minnedosa mb
    R0J1E0

    Keep this monster in and any other ones. and rcmp are all useless leaving him on the bus for 4 hours.

  161. horrified to hear what was done to this young man and how the rcmp were useless in stopping the defiling that this sick person did to his body.No parent should live through this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  162. This whole situation is appalling. We failed as a nation in our response both during and after the commission of this heinous crime.
    My deepest sympathies to the families and to the peripheral victims who bear the scars for the rest of their lives.

  163. Li was previously diagnosed with schizophrenia and refused medication YET he told the Dr. and the interviewer that he did not know that he was schizophrenic until after he had committed the murder. So, which is it? He is crazy like a fox and should have been subjected to a panel of psych experts not only one.
    I support strongly Tim’s mother’s proposed legislation and urge the Federal Government to act on it.
    She needs the support of all Canadians. Let’s give her our support Canada.

    1. I agree–Tim’s family totally needs to be supported by ALL Canadians! I see a real danger in Li starting to have freedom. “After the first year of treatment, most people will discontinue their use of medications…” http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx31t.htm#drugs
      So, since he is on such good behavior where he is being treated, he is now having some freedom. Gradually, he will probably get complete freedom….and go off of his medication…..and he is FREE TO COMMIT THE SAME CRIME AGAIN…..and ruin many more lives. Who “wins? The one who is, again, “not criminally responsible”. There will be many victims again–those who cannot look away from such a hideous act. Li needs to be CAREFULLY monitored (in a place where the general public is SAFE) for the REST OF HIS LIFE!! Again, he made the choice to REFUSE treatment.

      I feel that this same principle should be applied to those who drink/take drugs/text and drive–they MADE THE CHOICE to do the activity, so they should be made TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE for their choices. If so, there would be a lot less broken hearts over the loss of loved ones, and ultimately MORE RESPECT FOR THE LAW. The criminal justice system has become a cat-and-mouse game where criminals can say whatever they want to, and many of them can get off, scot-free. As a result, many victims do not trust the police, and take the law into their own hands.

      What a SAD, SAD world we live in!! It’s time to get back to MAKING people (including police officers and other public officials) take responsibility for their actions. Li should have been told (if he had not been) that he WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE for any crimes he committed during any psychotic state, and should have had to sign a document which also included his doctor’s signature stating this was against his (the doctor’s) advice.

      Brenda MB R0H 0C0

  164. If a person is mentally ill and hears voices telling him to murder people, all the more reason for them to never be able to be around people again. I’m tired of the NCR excuse and letting them walk after a short time in a mental health facility. In cases like this, they should bring back the death penalty. If and when Li stops taking his meds, how many other people will have to suffer because of his actions. I can’t understand how the RCMP could just stand there reporting to each other what was going on inside the bus and do nothing. RIP Tim…..sorry there was no one there to help you and that your killer has the freedom to walk around in society. The justice system failed you terribly.

  165. I heard about this at the time but it was not until a canadian show which covered the whole story was aired today that I fully grasped what happened, I cannot imagine having this happen to a loved one.

    I dont usually sign petitions but this one I endorse fully, its about time something was done to deal with this loop hole in the law the people involved and those left behind never get to return to a normal life its completely unfair for the aggressor to be allowed too

  166. This Doctor that claims this nut job is ok for day passes, let him stay with the Doctor at his house……..I’ll bet the Doctor changes his tune!!! Life in prison is to lenient punishment for this criminal, not unescorted day passes, have we all lost our minds?

  167. Unbelievable
    When will our so called government start doing their job
    Of protecting their citizens
    And the RCMP SHOW AGAIN HOW INEPT THEY ARE

  168. When does society get protected from irrational criminals if they are let off as being not criminally responsible, his hands did this horrific crime! WTF was the RCMP officers scared of? Why wasn’t this stopped as soon as they arrived? Who answers for that???

    1. What is wrong with the captain of RCMP .What if this was his son would he let LI cut him up while his men watch.. Ever used a tranquilizer dart on a lion ,. or a rabid dog …. and know we set him free to walk the streets of Winnipeg ..We should as Canadians really think this through a little better…. My heart goes out to MR McLean’s family

  169. My heart aches for Tim’s family and all the people who’s lives have been affected by this brutal crime. The man who did this should never be allowed to walk free.

  170. I seen the program tonight “True Crime Canada” and to be honest,it made me sick to my stomach-I was aware of this tragedy when it had happened, but had forgotten most of it.

    That son of a bitch,Vince Lee,schizo or not,should NOT be alive,should NOT be kept in a pyschiatric unit,a prison or anywhere alive at all.

    From what was televised,that excuse for a human being KNEW what he was doing when he purchased the hunting knife-ANYONE can use the excuse of hearing voices.

    Well stop the voices once and for all for that inexcusable waste of skin-
    never mind the death penalty-just get rid of it-no one I know keeps garbage around,and he is definitely garbage.

    I feel so bad for ALL of Tim McLeans family-for all of the people on the bus,the transport truck operator-all of them-PTSD is hell and every last one of those ppl should be compensated by the provincial government AND Greyhound for the rest of their lives.

  171. Capital punishment in this case. It needs to be reinstated in Canada. This monster should not ever step foot outside a cell. It’s just not right.
    My best wishes to all who have been affected by this tragedy

  172. I support some sort of law that either keeps these “NCR” people locked up forever or monitors their every movement and that they are on their meds, and healthy.
    Note: If I were a mentally ill person that committed a horrific crime….I would want to be monitored for the rest of my life to make sure that I never did such evil deeds again. I believe we would not only be doing society a favor, but we’d be doing them ( the NCR people) a favor as well.

  173. I absolutely believe that if a person takes another person’s life, the general public has the right to be protected from that person. Li CHOSE NOT to be treated, so he SHOULD be held accountable! Why should he have special treatment, just because HE didn’t want to be treated? So, everyone else has to always be on the lookout, just in case there’s someone out there that “wasn’t criminally responsible”, but got released for a day?

    I went through abuse, and I have PTSD, which after 13 years, continues to plague me daily, even though I am on a high dose of medication. Even now, if anything unexpected happens, my reaction varies from jumping to screaming. If there’s a siren, I sense it, before I even hear it, and I can’t relax until I know where it is coming from. Are these reactions normal? NO!! Can I change them? No, because they are instinctive–they happen long before I could even think to stop them. I also have to take 2 medications to sleep at night–I went for 9 months with only 1 hour of sleep per night.

    There are so many soldiers that have come back after serving our country in various wars. So many of them end up committing suicide, because they just can’t live with all of the trauma they endured.

    What about the other passengers that were on the bus? They are FOREVER SCARRED by the memories that are burned into their brains–memories that CANNOT be obliterated, no matter what they do. They have endured 3 YEARS OF TORTURE, because they were so horrified by what they were witnessing, they could NOT take their eyes off of an event that NO ONE should EVER have to be impacted by!!

    Now, tell me, can you HONESTLY say that it is FAIR for a person who has caused so much mental and emotional anguish for Tim’s parents, family, and friends; the remaining passengers, the bus driver, the truck driver, the police, and everyone else that was involved/or who witnessed any part of this hideous scene–for Li to have priority for freedom to WALK AROUND TOTALLY FREE on a day pass, while onlookers (victims) and the general public are not even allowed the PEACE that they should have???

    There should be a block of city/municipal land attached to the prison that is COMPLETELY enclosed by prison bars–on all 4 sides, and on the top. That would be the only SAFE place for Li to have freedom to go for a walk!! At least the general public would be protected, as our LAWS claim that we are supposed to be.

    One other thing–part of having PTSD, is that your memory actually takes you right back into the event, so you re-experience it, which is TOTALLY different than just remembering something that happened. Just imagine the agony Tim’s parents/family has to go through EVERY YEAR, just because someone WHO REFUSED treatment wants some freedom!!!

    Brenda MB R0H 0C0

  174. I fully support this law and my heart goes out to Tim, his family and all those who have been affected by this terrible brutal crime. Society needs to be protected from violent offenders who could offend again even if deemed “unaccountable” in a court of law.

  175. There should be no doubt at all that these “not criminally responsible” people should NEVER EVER be allowed to roam freely ever again….for the sake of the safety of the public. My life has been touched by 2 of these people; my mother in law ( my children’s sweet 86yr old grandmother) was bludgeoned to death by a schizophrenic, and my neighbor( who was schizophrenic) killed her 12 yr old son and then herself….absolutely ruining the life of the father/husband. I believe these sorts of things happen more often than the public realizes; we only hear of the notorious cases. These people should be monitored on a daily basis to make sure that they are on their meds; either within a facility or on the street. They should all be wearing some sort of tracking device in case they disappear off the grid. This is not a ‘human injustice”….this is common sense to protect the public. For all anyone knows, Vincent Li could end up living next door to you or me or the family of Tim McLean….without our knowledge. We as citizens , deserve better. Even Vincent Li acknowledged his evil deed, and that it should be punished. Unfortunately, the RCMP screwed this up royally; they should never have allowed him all that time to mutilate the body of Tim McLean; they should have done Vincent Li and all of Canada a favor and shot him dead when they had the chance. Now, we in Canada are burdened with having him in this country , not knowing where he lives, and where his next victim will be. This is the definition of INSANITY!!!!

    1. Janice, I totally agree with EVERYTHING that you have written about Li and the RCMP. I don’t think that I will ever trust the RCMP again. As far as a lot of patients with schizophrenia are concerned, but especially, those who are found “Not Criminally Responsible” (when they suddenly return back into society), feel, that after having been under a doctor’s care and being given the drugs (in a psychiatric facility) they are so much better now and don’t need to continue taking their medications. I totally agree that they should not be allowed back into the real world, unless they are monitored and watched VERY CAREFULLY. The public should be protected from those who refuse to take their meds. As you stated…”this is not a human injustice….it is just common sense!” We also have to think of Tim’s family and all of those passengers who were on the bus that horrible night, they are all still suffering in one way or another and so they will for the rest of their lives. Victims of these heinous crimes always seem to be forgotten and that should not be the case at all!

      1. We all agree the situation could have been handled better by the RCMP in a humanity sense and a common sense sort of way, but don’t place too much blame on them as they follow a set of rules and policies deemed suitable by society/courts and they are very cut and dry, to save life or bodily harm and leave no grey area for situations like this. Unfortunately they followed the rules to the letter instead of following the law of humanity. I feel for the RCMP as well as remember they came even tho all others ran away. They deal with tough situations and many lose their lives so let’s not forget who’s to blame Vince Li

  176. I agree he s insane, everyone who commits a crime like this is or they wouldn’t do it. One if the biggest problems is these egotistical doctors who think they are so smart and can fix a nut bar like this that they let the moron manipulate them into thinking they cured them. Keep the doctors out of the legal system as they have no place in the court room and only look for their our validation . If the doctors wanna help, do it in prison. I also believe doctors should be held criminally responsible for when a violent offender is treated and re offends after being deemed fit for society. Society also harps on police for their actions but what about the doctors , lawyers , and judges who allowed this to happen without considering common sense.

    1. I agree with the comment that; doctors who release seeminly healed criminally insane people be held accountable within the legal system if and when they re-offend. I think it would make them think twice before releasing these guys!

  177. So sorry for this family. How about bringing back the death penalty? Why should we be supporting these killers? I can’t believe he is allowed out in public.

    1. I also agree that the Death Penalty should be re-instated. With DNA and all of the latest technology available these days, there should be no room for “reasonable doubt” in the courts. It’s about time for people to start being ACCOUNTABLE! IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME, THEN DON’T DO THE CRIME!!!

  178. I just heard about this petition on true crime canada, I believe that anyone who murders due to a mental illness should still be heald criminally responsible. There are many people in this world who suffer from mental illness who do no harm to others. So why should someone who does do harm to others not be held responsible. There should not be any difference for a non mentally Ill murderer compared to a mentally ill murderer. No special treatment should be awarded to mentally ill murderes, no matter their condition. My heart goes out to the family. How absolutely hard this is for them.

  179. I just saw “TRUE CRIME CANADA” tonight at 9:00PM Sunday and I do not know how Tim’s parents and stepmother can digest this HORRIFIC crime that has been done to their son…..and the “Police” how dare how dare they just leave this mental case be disrespectful to Tim’s body. I wish Tim’s family would find a way to sued the RCMP they disrespected Tim’s body by doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND YES Vince Li should definitely be locked up FOR GOOD.
    TIM REST IN PEACE BROTHER YOUR SISTER IN CHRIST!

  180. Manitoba R2Y 0C1
    My prayers are with Tim’s family. What a nightmare they’ve been through! We need to bring back capital punishment and toughen the sentences we do have for crimes. So sick of these ridiculous bleeding heart ‘committees’ that decide someone as dangerous as Li should be free to go unsupervised!

  181. Selkirk Manitoba, Canada.

    He should be held criminally responsible mental illness or not, Canada should have a death penalty for stuff like this, or they should send him back to his own country. As well as to have him unsupervised visits?! you serious? not to mention the people of Selkirk where the ‘hospital’ hes in really dont know what he looks like. its absolutely absurd. Something needs to be done, he knows what he did hes as mentally stable as hes going to get now, he should be punished.
    Furthermore, someone who sees vincent li in Selkirk and feel threatened by him, if they were to do anything to vincent li they would be charged. It is completely and utterly unfair.

    My deepest condolences to the family and friends of Tim Mclean.

  182. I can’t believe Vincent Li is allowed day passes. How crazy is that? We are suppose to trust him to take his medication? We are expected to trust that this medication will always work? We are expected to trust Vincent Li????
    What about Justice for Tim and his family? What about the diminished lives of those who loved Tim, and those on the bus that day?
    Changes need to be made now, to protect society from those who are evil.

  183. I just watched True Crimes. Why on earth did the RCMP not shoot Li dead and stop him from continuing to dismember Tim’s body. My heart aches for Tim’s family.

  184. When left unsupervised , going off medication is a given. This cannot happen again. Lock him up… Forever. No one wants this man on the streets. Maybe he could live with his shrink!

  185. This man cannot be released into any community! He committed a horrific crime and is now taking his meds
    and being a good inmate? Does he have remorse for what he did to Tim? How could he live with himself knowing what he did now that he is considered “better”?
    How is this fair to Tim’s family and all the people he has destroyed! He should be in jail for the rest of his life!
    My Uncle was murdered a few years ago and one of his killers is out living his life. I know what it feels like. No one should ever know that kind of pain!
    My prayers go out to all the family and people that were there that sad night. 🙁

  186. Vince Lee should never be allowed to roam free!
    Not just for the publics protection, but for his own!

  187. Lindsay, Ontario…I too have just watched, “True Crimes Canada.” I have read the comments most recently posted and agree with that of a Ms. Barrett’s…In that, if an individual is considered mentally unfit to stand trial, and yet when such a time comes that the Professionals then deem this same individual fit enough for an unsupervised day pass, then that same person should therefore be fit enough to stand trial and be imprisoned for their horrific crime and most definitely NOT allowed an unsupervised day pass…My heart goes out to young Tim’s family and to all the individuals so deeply effected by having witnessed this barbaric crime.

  188. Quite disconcerting that this individual is allowed to walk among us!
    oh really, he is taking his meds???!!!
    Until he decides not to, as there is NO monitoring this.
    I was outraged when I heard he got out, after watching the story, the whole story even more so now. Our law enforcement should be held accountable, would they just sit and watch if it was their child.
    These do-gooders in the country may not have quite the same sick opinion if it was their child. Maybe they should think of that.
    My heartfelt thoughts go out to the McLean family and I so wish you receive compensation for the actions of others.

  189. Ontario, P0M 1L0
    I have just watched True Crime Canada and I am appalled by the way it was handled by RCMP and now the judiciary system. I feel for Tim’s family and the people that witnessed this horrific crime, their lives have been changed forever with the memories of what this monster did. This killer should not be allowed in our society but be locked up for life.

  190. Capital punishment is the only way to go. These head Shrinkers have to try to justify there jobs ,so what better way then to let a murder go free. He will do this again, I hope it not my son. My heart go’s out to his family

  191. Bless you Tim.

    If the Doctors would like to have individuals
    returned into the main stream like this have them
    put there licence on the line .

    There is no way of knowing if this sick man
    will crash or not and do the same.

    So doctors would you put your licence on the line ?
    If another crime is committed by individuals that you
    say are “FIXED” would you sign ?

    My bet is ” NO” not a chance you would sign
    a day pass . You would not be able to continue
    Your practice.
    Think about this “TIM’s LAW” let’s fix it and make it
    right .
    It could be you or I next time this individual goes off.
    Lock them up !

  192. This loss is tragic for tue family and the people.on that bus. Then to let this man go free.in a day pass with no one watching him is just wrong in everyway. There should be a death penalty for matters such as this. It was pure evil.

  193. What a disgrace.. the justice system… and the RCMP should be accountable for theyre actions. Why in Gods name did they just stand around for 4 hours and do nothing? And to the family… may God heal youre hearts.. Bless all of you.. and youre son is a angel looking down on you… St. Catharines. Ontario

  194. Thorold, Ontario. L2V4M2

    It is insane that this guy wasn’t shot while still on that bus, while the police just stood there, and did nothing.
    I’m so very sorry that you are being put through this. It’s just so wrong.

  195. I agree with the amendment to the law, however as an additional step, once the persons treatment is considered successful, they should then be held criminally responsible and transferred to prison.

  196. Human dignity belongs to Tim but not to monsters. Monsters do not change criminally insane or not.

  197. This is wrong that inhuman wild dog should have been shot wright there along side the road . I think that the assholes that say he is a good person is very disturbing . This is wrong people VERY WRONG !

  198. Sudbury Ontario
    P3A 2Y9
    capital punishment should be reinstated in this country. How does one rehabilitate from such a crime. And is there someone with him 24|7 to make sure he takes his meds………..my guess is no. He should be held responsible and put to death!!!

  199. I believe it is time in this country to relinquish our reliance on psychiatrists and their testimony in support of dangerous offenders receiving special privileges and a pass on murder. I was particularly disgusted by the malfeasance of the RCMP and the bus driver who stood around doing nothing to intervene. If Mr. Li was so broken up about what he had done in retrospect and wanted to die, why didn’t he do everyone a favour and commit suicide?

    My support for Tim’s Law and my condolences to his family

    Ontario
    L4M 2G9

  200. Oakville, Ontario L6L 2T3
    This killer should be kept away from our society. He is guilty of taking a life and should not be let back into society under any circumstances!!!!! Especially if if he is considered mentally ill. He should never be free. Mental illness is no excuse. Rest in peace sweet boy Tim McLean. Xxxooo

  201. Oakville, Ontario L6L 2T3
    This killer should be kept away from our society. He is guilty of taking a life and should not be let back into society under any circumstances!!!!! Especially if if he is considered mentally ill. He should never be free. Mental illness is no excuse. Rest in peace sweet boy Tim McLean.

  202. Regardless of his mental illness many people were effected by this evil tradgedy even those of us who were not there.He needs to stay locked up for life.

  203. So what happens to me when I loose control upon seeing him???
    I end up in jail for beating him out of anger?
    I too will loose the ability to control myself.
    Will this be recognized in court??
    Totally unbelievable!!!
    What happens when he’s on his own?
    It happens time and time again.
    They feel better and quit taking their meds.

  204. Barrie,Ontario L4N 7A4

    God Bless your Soul Tim! God Bless your family and everyone on that bus. The JERK (I do not want to use his name) that took your life should NEVER EVER be free again! He turned down help and therefore should be held RESPONSIBLE for his TERRIBLE CRIME!

  205. Quebec J7V 0G1

    The report on CBC said Vincent Li needs medication to remain “normal”. (And this doesn’t even guarantee that he won’t be violent.) how can the system allow him to roam free for any amount of time? And the RCMP’s performance at the crime scene leaves a lot to be desired. Shameful actually.

    My sincere condolences and sympathies go out to Tim’s family and friends.

  206. I just watched the show True Crime for the second time and am horrified by the actions of the RCMP and I’m wondering why they didn’t “take Li out” He should never be released into society.
    Always remembered Tim, R.I.P.

  207. When you commit such a brutal murder you should not get off scot free.

    Windsor, Ontario

    N8S 4J9

  208. Annette mallet
    Ontario
    koe 1ko

    my condolences to the family and friends of tim, my heart goes out to you

  209. Andrea Walker
    Ontario, L6M 5E4
    this is ridiculous – people who murder others – regardless of mental state – do not deserve rights – What right does Tim have?

  210. Need this law as soon as possible. People like Vincent Li are a risk to society at all times and need to be in a contained environment at ALL times. They are too large a risk to humanity to roam our streets. Lock them up for life – not 25 years, but till their natural life – for their safety and the safety of society.

  211. Brampton, On, L6R1N8

    There is no rehabilitation for violent offenders! Plain and simple, once a medical professional deems them “sane” place them in jail for the rest of their lives. In Tim’s case, his killer wanted a death sentence, we should give him one!!! And on a side note, unclear what RCMP where doing just “standing there” but there needs to be justice for the victim. Tim deserved better from all of us, and I feel as sick today as I did back then!

  212. What a disgrace.. the justice system… and the RCMP should be accountable for theyre actions. Why in Gods name did they just stand around for 4 hours and do nothing? And to the family… may God heal youre hearts.. Bless all ofvyou.. and youre son is a angel looking down on you…

  213. I was sickened when I first heard of this autocracy and am further horrified with the decision of the land to actually permit persons like Vincent to mingle amongst the innocent public.
    My condolences to the McLean family, God bless

  214. Saskatoon,Sask. S7H 1R1

    People must be held responsible for their actions, mental illness or not!

  215. I just seen this story on CBC tonight,doing a coverage on this story,during what happen on that sad night during 2008.Alot of lives has been affected by this animal as I will refer to Vincent Li. This animal,does not belong in society….He belongs behind bars!!!! No matter what his condition was proven to be…If you commit a crime, you should do time…..Condolences going out to Tim`s family and friends

  216. I just watched True Crime Canada on Tim. Vince needs to put away for life, or give him his wish with a death sentence!! Not criminally responsible my ass. His ‘voices’ were an excuse. If it were that easy, everyone who killed someone could say that! And as for the RCMP…. Wow……

  217. Gina Hirney
    Grande Pointe Manitoba R5A 1G5

    This law is essential to public safety and morality of society

  218. I was horrified by what happened to your son. The fact that the “man” who perpetrated this crime basically walked away with a prescription and some therapy is disgusting. I work in a field that those who know better can get away with , although knowing better, everything including murder. There needs to be a definitive policy for violent persons be they so called normal or so called “mentally ill or challenged”.. I hope that you can find peace someday as I hope the laws will respect the safety of society.

  219. I am so not cool with this!!! I don’t care how “perfect” he acts in the institution, his crime is unforgiveable. No way should he be allowed to enjoy anything in life, but most of all freedom!! Tim doesn’t get to do that anymore, that was taken from him by this disgusting crime. I’m ashamed of the criminal so called justice in this country. Completely ashamed.

  220. What I would like to know is that he is declared ” not criminally responsible” and needed medication and treatment so he could understand the ramifications of his actions. So if now he is “cured” why isn’t he held criminally responsible and sent straight to prison? He should now understand why and understand the consequences of his actions if he is cured, no? This bleeding heart socialist response to such horrific crimes in our country is disgusting. Where do the lawmakers of this country show consideration for the rights of the victims? Truly a travesty to see this individual walking free after such little time.

  221. The victim will never walk the streets in freedom anymore. Why should the perpetrator of this crime be allowed to?

  222. He shouldn’t be let out on unscheduled
    trips into the public, he committed the crime
    now he should do the time!!

  223. As a child I have first hand experience of living with a schizophrenic father. A non violent one but paranoid non the less. They do feel better with there meds then decide to stop taking their meds the voices dont stop telling them that we are the crazy ones. I wanted and my family wanted nothing but for dad to get better that never happened . The government agencies in place couldn’t help us unless he hurt us. He was baited by many who loved him to hit them or hurt them in any way so they could get him help. He still wouldnt hurt anyone. This poor young man paid the pricefor this system my childhood paid the price. NOW THIS MOM has to go through life without her son, for what. So he may have these rights. This was a crime sick or not my father as sick as he was would never have done this to anyone these drs who decide that this man can walk the streets again, how would they feel if this was done again to someone they loved. What law will protect our children.

  224. Do not let the sicko out he needs to go to jail for what he did you never know if it will happen to someone else so put the sick pig where he needs to go and that is to jail

  225. Alberta, T1B 1J3 Keep him locked up….. Tim can no longer walk the streets freely why should Vince be able too.

  226. Killing anyone is murder! We Canadians have been way to lenient regarding “Not criminally responsible”; we need to get this law passed immediately. Anyone currently and in the past found “not criminally responsible” should retroactively have their sentence changed to adhere to Tim’s Law. Let their’ family bear the burden of trying to “prove” they are rehabilitated instead of the Canadians this law is meant to protect! I have a cousin with schizophrenia and she has gone off her medication voluntarily many times. It seems to be a cycle. She feels so good so she decides she doesn’t need medication. She hits rock bottom, the family steps in and she’s back on medication. She feels so good so she decides she doesn’t need medication. You get the picture it’s a vicious cycle but thank God she has not killed anyone while off her medication. I feel this is a common situation with mental disorders. I agree wholeheartedly that if someone has taken another’s life while in the throes of a mental disorder; they will offend again it is just a matter of time. Alberta T6E 6N2

  227. I believe that we can treat seriously mentally ill individuals with compassion without EVER releasing them back into society. Tim and his family have to come first, and the rest of us second. It is impossible to believe that people capable of such hideous violence can ever be trusted again.

  228. I don’t believe our justice system is hard enough on the people who commit crimes, mental health or not wrong is wrong and should be treated as the crime it was. If he is now well enough to know right from wrong he should now realize what was done and pay for what he did. It is sad that this poor young man lost his life and will never be brought back to continue with his life so why should this man be given a chance to a freedom again. That does not make sense to me and tim’s law has my full support. condolence’s to the maclean family my heart is with you. I know what it is like to lose someone close to my heart and see the man responsible let out on a technicality. Best of luck to you

  229. You have my support and love i hsve two much loved sons i cannot imagine loosing. Mentally ill people who commit henious crimes should be locked up and treated till they die..away from the public.

  230. I am deeply touched by your loss i have 2 much loved sons and csnnot imagine the pain and suffering you aregoing through..you hsve my support and love to send your way..god be eith you.

  231. to the mother of Tim Mclean – my heart goes out to you as I have only recently read about the tragedy of your son’s death – my mother frequently travels with Greyhound bus lines – I cannot even fathom the sorrow and anguish you must have felt to lose your precious son this way – I am sickened and disgusted that the man responsible for your son’s death is still alive today – only the Lord above can truly judge his soul and works of this earth but I am so saddened about this story – please feel free to contact me at any time if you ever need a shoulder to cry on – my heart is broken for you and I will do anything in this world to help you – sincerely Suzanne Roesel

  232. This law is not about punishing the mentally ill whose diseases have manifested themselves in violent crimes. This law is about ensuring that the broader public is safe and even more importantly that the sufferers of mental illnesses, particularly schizophrenia, receive long-term care and follow up. Clearly, health interventions thus far have done little to prevent such crimes from taking place because they are inadequate and too brief. We need more mental health services, not closures of mental health wings in emergency rooms. I cannot speak for Carol but for me the most difficult thing to swallow about Tim’s death is that there were several opportunities to help Mr. Li before he ever came into contact with her son. As a society, we failed Mr. Li and the cost of that failure was an innocent young man’s life. This is unacceptable in one of the wealthiest and well educated countries in the world. British Columbia, V5R 5N8

  233. We should be protective of our tax-paying, hard-working citizens that are the back bone of our country; releasing ‘not criminally responsible’ individuals that have committed heinous crimes is irresponsible. Our society has come a long way from the days of ‘Bedlam” but we’ve swung the pendulum too far to the left It’s time to be realistic now and stop expecting our communities to play Russian roulette with people such as Vincent Li. Consider us!

  234. I’m so sorry you even have to enact a las like this, healing thoughts with you all. 🙁

  235. keep him locked up in a secure locked ward in a room by himself where he is not around other people. he is a danger to us all and he should not be allowed to put other people (in Selkirk and Winnipeg and other communities) in danger. I live in Winnipeg and now I have to fear that this psychopath can be near me. I wish Canada had capital punishment so that he could be punished they way he should be.

    1. Trina Wamboldt
      Kamloops, BC
      v2B 8r1

      Vincent Li walking our streets is not okay. Not ever. It does not matter why he did what he did. He did it once and he could do it again. Those who decide to let him out should be held CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE if he efer reoffends. Day passes are NOT ok.

  236. Here we go again. Multiple stabbings and mass attempted murderer in Fredericton was just given NCR verdict. Another NCR likely verdict is coming in the future in Alberta but this one will be biggest slap in the face of Canadians yet. Mass murder will now be accepted as NCR and mass murderers added to the list eligible to receive get out of jail free cards and no criminal records .Mass murderer’s back out in the community after aprox 5 years. What an achievement that will be for the social prosecutors and psychiatrists of Canada. Pedophiles and Pedophile murderers must be starting to get hope as they watch the eligible
    list of NCR get bigger every day

    1. Luke ,the jails are full of pedophiles and murderers who are dreaming for the day they will be covered under NCR. They are probably under the old system and are not eligible yet but give it time and our legal system will see that their rights are looked after.Just think of the upcoming boom in the psychiatry profession. They will probably have to water down the program to enable enough people to graduate to meet the demand. Probably will be like in the Canadian hospitals where the nurses are being replaced by LPN’s and PCW’s. I believe the boards that decide when these nut jobs are back out in the street are only made up of 1 psychiatrist and 1 lawyer and common lay person so if the Universities start ramping up their psychiatry programs now the demand may be able to be met. Also in Canada you can murder as many people as you want and all the charges run concurrent which means that its the same penalty for mass murder as single murder if you can’t get on the NCR train. If you murder when your young and can’t get on the NCR train you will probably get out with good behavior in less than 15 years. Your best shot at murdering people and walking the streets in 5 years is NCR and is now common knowledge in the general population as well as the criminal community

  237. Very very tragic. There is no way that Vincent Li should be free to roam the streets, and I have heard that he will likely get this chance. He should be locked up forever as he is a real danger to society whether he knew what he was doing or not.

    1. vince li was granted full-day(9am-9pm) unescorted passes into the community at the end of February and in fact has just as much right to be on my beach this summer as I do. I’m Timothy’s Mom,and I’m not happy about this

  238. This Question is for any of you lawyers or lawyer wantabe’s and any mind reading doctors who are promoting or agree that these murdering nut cases should be let out at our risk:
    If one of these killers that you let out once your part of the legal NCR enablers team, starts hearing the same voices again that he heard when he murdered his last victim, and he or she gets you or your family locked into his mind in another manic episode, do you think your law degree and charter of rights will still mean so much as you or your family become murder 2,3 or 4?If you survive but your family doesn’t will you recommend NCR again for same murderer so he can have a third crack at murder or will you tear up your law degree and the charter of rights and freedoms in front of your families graves?

    1. These bleeding heart scumbags and politicians who created a system where the rights of murdering nut cases trump the rights of the law abiding general public have made this country a joke. Start charging anyone involved with the release of these nutcases with accessory to murder or whatever crimes they commit in the future and I think you will find the get out of jail free cards would stop quickly. Once you commit 1st degree murder you should be hung regardless of mental issues or not. I would not be surprised the way that this country and its politicians are ruining this country at a fast pace, is the next thing you hear is that these bleeding heart scumbags will be drafting up hate laws so people who move their family away from these nut cases after their back among us can be charged with hate crimes. These murders will have no criminal record so unless you do your research in old newspapers or on the internet you will not know that these murders are next door and only a couple of missed pills away from killing you or your family .This country and its laws are a Disgrace and a slap in the face of all its law abiding citizens and especially the families of people murdered or harmed by these sick 1 pill away murdering nut cases.

  239. If we keep allowing people to claim that they diagnosed with a mental illness there will be more murderers roaming the streets when they should be behind bars, or detained

    Toronto, Ontario

    M2J 4T4

  240. T2T 0H8

    This is a true tragedy for justice. Antipsychotic medications can have terrible consequences, and we live in a very undereducated and manipulated society that depends on toxic chemicals instead of justice. I hope the law is changed to keep society safe.

    If he was truly unaware of what he did that makes him more dangerous, not less, to society. Schizophrenia itself is a catch all, made up condition that is not testable.

    Those of you who suggest punishment don’t see the point. He should not be punished, he indeed should be treated, all criminals could easily be found to have some mental issues, otherwise why would they commit crime? He should still be kept away from society, prisons should focus on rehabilitation for all criminals. Punishment breeds resentment, violence and anger.

    My heart goes out to Tim’s mother.

  241. This is absolutely unacceptable. Li should be executed, or better yet, have done to him what he did to Tim. This is an embarrassment to the Canadian Legal System. The Canadian Government needs to step up and protect our citizens, and stop this insanity. Vince Li is a cold blooded murderer, and should NEVER EVER be left unsupervised!
    Thoughts and prayers go out to Tim’s family, may he rest in peace.

  242. NCR had to be changed and keep people like this in a facility for life. NCR needs to ensure the safety of the public so that nothing ever happens again to innocent victims like Tim again. It could have happened to anyone, what happened to Tim! We need people like Vincent Li, locked up for life to prevent it totally from taking place again.

  243. Signing this petition gives me great pride in our system..spread the word to sign..
    London, Ontario
    N5v 2k2

  244. Just saw Carol’s speech to the senate (early March 2014). Carol you are a strong, courageous, well spoken woman. I support Tim’s Law and I hope the Justice system hears your (and our -via this petition) plea and makes the changes that you have recommended. I find it hard that the Review Board does not make Li accountable for the murder but yet will make him accountable to take meds when he is out. As you mentioned…statistics prove that these types of patients do not take their meds regularly. Stay strong Carol (& family).

  245. Vincent Li should be locked up and supervised at all times and even restrained because he is totally unaware of what he has done which is murder. He must never be let out into society as he is extremely dangerous and anyone next to him is putting theirselves at risk. HE must be restrained at all times and never be allowed out alone as he is a danger to everyone he comes in contact with unquestionably. It is irresponsible to let a person out who has committed this murder. The public must continually demand that Vincent Li be locked up indefinitely. He may be unaware of his horrific actions but we are not. It is a crime to let him walk the streets and know he is so predictable and this can happen again. Keep Vincent Li locked up and supervised at all times.

  246. My heart breaks for Carol ( Tim’s Mom) and family having to live without Tim, and now to know that the man responsible is to be allowed freedom to roam is disgusting to me. What do we have to do in this country to get the criminally insane locked up for everyone’s safety?

  247. I totally agree with changing the law and making them responsiable for their actions,I hope by me adding my name to the petition it helps you all in making the bill pass.

  248. I am amazed with our judicial system. Murder is murder, just because some one is mentally insane they only get a slap on the wrist and are told to take their medication. I think if you murder someone that should automatically be 25 to life. Canada also needs the death penalty.

  249. My unconditional condolences to Tim’s family. Vincent Li’s freedom is NOT worth risking another human being’s life.

  250. My husband and I are still stunned beyond words at what Li has done. This is all the more disgusting as his immediate family and members of his church all knew he was sick and needed help. Someone, anyone, his wife, his pastor, his friend, could have gotten him committed under the Mental Health Act, but no one did a thing. His family especially carry the can of guilt by standing idly by knowing he was hearing voices, not taking meds. not under any supervision.
    How do they look at their sorry faces in the mirror? Vince Li should
    NEVER be allowed out unescorted. He should either be tied to a tree with a short rope, or, better yet, sent back to China in criminal garb so they can pick up the huge financial tab for what will be continued long term care and housing for this maniac. The recent decision, championed by psychiatrist Dr. Stephen Kremer, to let Li roam all over Winnipeg-area communities is incredibly disrespectful and callous toward the McLean family. Did this Criminal Review Board, especially Dr. Kremer, give one thought to the suffering of Tim’s friends and family? Not bad enough that this innocent young man was murdered in what should have been a safe place, but he was butchered, the horrific act like something out of the worst horror movie.

    We send our thoughts of greatest sympathy, prayers for strength, and outrage on behalf of Tim and his family for how the system continues to enshrine the rights of the killer as a higher priority than the rights of the innocents, Tim McLean and his family and friends.

    Dave and Jean Ledgerwood
    Mission, BC V2V 6J6

    1. You may blame Pierre Trudeau for giving us this sorry excuse for justice. By changing the criminal code of Canada, he put the full weight of the “so called” justice system behind the offender, instead of the victim. He believed that even the most evil have a chance at rehabilitation, and they should be given every opportunity to live amongst us and wreck havoc. He set up the parole and review boards to be nothing but a lucrative, patronage appointment for the friends and toadies of whatever government happens to be in power. It seems the Liberal and Conservative parties don’t give a damn for the people they should care about.

      V7a2x3. British Columbia

  251. I am shocked!!! Unbelievable! People who shot someone out of self defense gets 30 years in prision, and this guy can roam free?

    I will always think of Tim’s family and friends, i cannot imagine the horror they must go through each day. Wish i could give you all a hug.

    Johann van Staden
    SOUTH AFRICA

  252. I have been watching this case for years, and have been praying for Tim’s mother and family even though I have never met them. When I heard on the radio last week that this murderer was to be granted unsupervised freedom, I yelled aloud in the car as I was driving. I wish it was possible that this doctor who granted this could have been made to walk through the crime scene before making this decision. My heart wholeheartedly goes out to the McLean family, to anyone else on that greyhound bus that tragic day, and to all who wish for a day when we can sit on a bus and not worry that the person beside us will kill us before we reach our destination. God, help us…break confusion and speak wisdom into the minds and hearts of our leaders..

  253. If the doctor, Steven Kremer feels so confident in Vince Li.s recovery offer to allow him to live in your house with your family! I suggest Vince be made to babysit the good doctors children in exchange for room and board!!

    St Andrews Mb
    r1a-4a8

  254. If the doctor, Steven Kremer feels so confident in Vince Li.s recovery offer to allow him to live in your house with your family! I suggest Vince be made to babysit the good doctors children in exchange for room and board!!

  255. By no means this man can be free. He is dangerous. There is no guarantee that he never does it again in the future despite of doctors say. Many people have the same disease but do not do such horrible crime.

  256. amend it to add any immigrant convicted of a criminal code offence within 10 years of entering Canada be immediately deported

  257. Bc v9z1k9.
    Lock him up and lose the key. People who are that dangerous should not be aloud out. Change the law.

  258. I find this is just insane that this man was not put in jail for life, even though I believe in the death penalty for a person that is 100% guilty of murder, I feel that a person just needs to say they were insane when they did this act. They will then be provided with food, shelter, no bills to pay, no worries and we the citizens will pay for this. We must be crazy!! I feel not only did we let Timothy down but we have also let his family down. I pray that these laws change and we bring back the death penalty to murderers, crazy or insane or whatever you may call it. Timothy can not be brought back but we can keep him alive in our hearts and souls knowing that his mom fought for him and stopped this person from ever doing this again.

  259. Young life taken out of an ill man. Its horrible if he is better now let seek justice for our young people.

  260. U mean to tell me there isn’t a minimum sentence for this?!! GET ON IT!!! THAT’S JUST PLAIN STOOPID!

  261. I understand that this is a disease that he has,however he has been hospitalized twice before and still went off his meds again resulting in this horrible tragedy. He has no family/friend support here so who is going to guarantee he will stay on his meds when released?? He chose to go off them before knowing what can happen with his disease and with that in mind how are they not considering this when evaluating him? They are saying he should not be held accountable for his actions but with his history of going off meds before there should be some accountability.

  262. People with mental health issues are as much a danger to themselves as they are to the general public when they are untreated and left to fend for themselves.

  263. R2X 0L9 Manitoba I think when a person does so a heinous crime, whether they are found not criminally responsible, does not negate the need for incarceration and no outside visits in the community.

  264. Winnipeg, MB
    R2Y 0A9

    I understand that mental illnesses can cause people to do things they normally would not do. But, when those things include posing such an extreme danger to the general public, or taking lives, that person needs constant supervision to ensure they do not stop taking their medication or show signs of relapse. Although Li shows no signs of aggression or being a danger now, does not mean that he wont later if he stops taking his medication or has to deal with the daily stresses of everyday society. The system isn’t only failing Tim McLean if they release him, but Li too. He needs ongoing medical care.

  265. Tim will never be able to wander free….if this man is apparently fine now then put him in jail for the crime he commited! This is disgusting, that a human life means so little. That man should never see daylight.

  266. I absolutely support this law…. some how is capable of doing something that horrible should never be alound to be out on his own! What about the safety of the children and residence of Selkirk!?!

  267. He shouldn’t be allowed back out on the streets! If he is fine now then he should be charged with murder! This is so stupid… I am disgusted with our system!!

    Selkirk MB. R1A 2G5

  268. Until healthcare and the legal system have a way to protect everyone the chances for reoffending is too high to take the chance.To do that they have to understand what they are talking about. People who need help can’t find it, so what guarantee do the public have the people making these decisions are going to be able to provide the supports needed to make this successful for all?

  269. In my opinion, now that he is “mentally capable” of standing trial for the crimes he commited. He should!! I understand (but not agree) that he was not capable to stand trial at the time of the incident but now that he is. A true trial should begin and he should be held accountable for what HE did. That is true justice and this case should should be held as an example for all future horrific events. DO NOT let anyone get away with murder. Mental illness should not be an acceptable excuse for any crime committed, especially murder.

  270. Disgusting how this sorry excuse for a man gets away w murder and cannibalism. Were is the justice for Tim!? What about his friends and family? This man is now ok? Put him back on the stand and throw the book at him….. I believe in the death penalty and he needs it! He hasn’t suffered and got away with a horrific crime. The public s endanger and someone will take him out…. Only that poor sod will have the book thrown at him when he actually provided the justice the family deserves. The courts have failed again!!!!

  271. Time to stop this madness! The people that WE vote into power MUST listen to us. While we can’t take Vince Li’s life, we can and should take his freedom. Not Criminally Responsible?? We all deserve the right to be safe. If the lawmakers can’t protect us, maybe we should vote them out of office! My deepest condolences and prayers for you Carol. A Mother’s Love knows no boundaries, on earth or in heaven.

  272. Like this family hasn’t lost enough already!! Reading how the man that brutally killed their son is a “model ” patient and safe to be in the community!! I say let him live in the good old doctors house , and let him roam around his community of he’s sooooo safe !! Pathetic !! And the first time he’s non compliant with his meds!!! Then what doc?? This is wrong on so many levels and pisses me off to no end !!

  273. Saskatchewan
    S4R 1L5

    The government needs to start worrying about the victims and their families and stop catering to the criminals!

  274. Murder is Murder and to be considered Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder is not a justifiable reason to allow someone who has done such a gruesome crime to be able to walk free among society. The Mental facility considers him to be rehabilitated, but, where is the justice for Tim and his family?? There is no justice. And, what happens in time when he is released to be able to walk free among society, that he forgets or refuses to take his medication? Who is going to be held responsible then? If he is rehabilitated like the Mental Health Board feels he is, then he should go to prison for the rest of his natural life.

  275. Tim needs justice. We need this law so that nobody else goes through what Tim did. His family has been suffering since. They need to keep Vince Li locked up. This man will re-offend again.

  276. There are simply natural consequences to behaviours. and choices. ie. not taking meds. The result consequentially is that he cannot be allowed back into the general population. So many people’s lives have been forever changed that day, and I am sure are still suffering the results. It is not about deserving .. it is about protecting.. the innocent .. from the unknowns of what we already know of this illness if not kept in an environment when he is under close supervision at all times.

  277. Alberta
    T3K 3A4

    Murder is murder and he should be doing life for this horrendous crime. He committed the act and he will do it again if he isn’t on his meds. Who is going to monitor to make sure he is taking them? Sad to think that something so horrible could happen again all because our justice system fails to protect the victims. So sad.

  278. People with mental illness are known to stop taking their meds because they think they are better.Are you willing to risk him doing this to someone else?

  279. Murder is Murder and NCR is not a valid excuse to not be charged with it!

    Spruce Grove
    T7X 0K2

  280. Manitoba R0C 2Z0

    There are too many unpredictables – did he take his meds, will he have an episode etc… – to have Vince Li out all by himself. Why does he deserve freedom anyway?

  281. He should be put away In a real jail and not let out ever !! Sick bastard !! Mental illness or not he did the crime he should pay for it

  282. Its unfortunate tha Vince Li ., has to be locked up. But he is dangerous. What says he cant do this again.

  283. Keep him locked up .He is a murderer & a cannibal. there are many people in jail for lesser charges & are not allowed unescorted tours.Lock him up or send him back to where he came from ,see what they would do with the animal he is,

  284. It’s a fact that a lot of mentally ill people will stop taking their powerful anti-psychotic medications, for various reasons. Mr. Li will stop and the public will be at risk of being killed and eaten. Shame on Canada

  285. I fully support Tim’s Law. This family has suffered too much already. Tim’s life ended much too young an needlessly. Why is his murderer being set free to do as he pleases? A very scary thought.

    R0H 0N0

  286. This man chose to go off his medication. His mental illness was not a new diagnosis. The fact remains he is a murderer and should have to serve a life sentence. He should never be allowed to roam free.

  287. If this man is considered well enough for unsupervised visits he should be well enough to stand trial. This was not a new diagnosis for Vince Li and he chose to not take his medication. He is a murderer none the less and should not be allowed out for life

  288. This should not be allowed. He is obviously not a stable person and people on the streets are not safe with him out and about.

  289. Any person who is criminally insane for the reason he was should never be allowed out in free public again, because while in hospital he takes his medication, but when out who is to remind him when he forgets. Then what will happen the next time.

    Lorna Ontario N0G 1L0

  290. I only hope that this law goes in place and is retroactive to include previous offenders and any freedoms that have been given to these offenders are re-evaluated and tighter restrictions apply to them as well.

  291. Im sorry for your loss and I do strongly believe that justice isn’t serve with him lose

  292. as Tim’s mom said “he CONCEALED the weapon…” if you are concealing a weapon, you know what you are about to do with that weapon is wrong and therefore premeditated and according to the law, isn’t premeditation, followed by the act of murder, MURDER IN THE 1ST DEGREE????? Life? No – HE SHOULD GET THE CHAIR. Why should my tax dollars (and hard earned at that) pay to keep Vince Li alive??????

  293. just to make sure every one knows that I am signing the petition with this comment section. Daneen Thompson California United States 95423 please amend this criminal code!!

  294. I was horrified to hear that Vincent Li will not have to do any jail time for his crime. My son knew Tim McLean. We support Tim’s Law

  295. Another supporter. There is no way anyone can assure this may not happen again if Li is off his medication or becomes seriously delusional again without constant supervision. My heart goes out to your family in so many ways.

  296. The safety of our community is a far bigger issue than this one mans supposed “freedom”. The only freedom his release will achieve is the freedom for this man to once again break away from treatments and potentially hurt or kill another person. Even with regular check ins and testing, the responsibility of keeping on track and administering his medication, reporting in for said check ins and testing, is left to him, to which he has already proved incapable, which ended up costing a life. Releasing someone with his degree of mental illness is quite possible one of the most irresponsible decisions our justice system can possibly make. This man clearly needs help, and cannot be trusted to maintain that help on his own. It wouldn’t be in his best interest, and is cruel to be putting a sick man in such a position simply to prove a point. Mental illness does need more awareness, but releasing this man is not going to prove anything other than a crippled and flawed system.

  297. I completely support Tim’s law, the fact that they even consider giving this man and other mentally ill killers a second chance at a normal life astounds me. What kind of a world do we live in where we forget the victims and feel bad for their murderers? This needs to change. Elie, MB R0H0H0

  298. I fully support Tim’s Law. It’s time to stop victimizing this family over and over again. it’s time people stop thinking and treating The offender as a victim. If he were truly sorry he would be asking to remain locked up, not for freedom.

  299. I support Tim’s Law. Please let’s not forget that this young man did NOTHING to deserve the horrible, unfathomable things that Li did to him. Doctor’s can say all they want that Li knows he was wrong and that he knows he needs to take his meds, but it is well known that persons with pschizophrenia often go off of their medication. I can’t understand why this man is being given a second chance when Tim will never be granted the same. Murder is murder is murder. If he is well enough now for unescorted trips, he is well enough to stand trial. We cannot keep allowing murderers the chance of freedom because they had a momentary lapse of sanity. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.
    RIP TIM.

  300. March 2/2014
    I do not believe Vince Li should have any privileges. Actually because he is mentally ill he should be under extra supervision because he is apparently not accountable for his actions. Therefore he could inflict more damage to innocent people. If he happens to offend again, who will take responsibility for his actions? The Drs. that say he’s “Better”
    I support Tim’s Law

  301. I support my friend and his family!, Vincent li should not have a freedom right and be locked up for the rest of his life. Don’t let him OUT!

  302. I support Tim’s Law.. Vincent Li should never be free!

    Donna Dauphinais
    Manitoba
    R0E0C0

  303. Vince Li must NEVER be released !!!!!!!!!!
    Why did the police not shoot him when he was inside the bus and did not react to their demands to stop mutilating Tim? Usually, they are so fast shooting down people for no reason – WHY NOT BACK THEN ?!

    If Li kills again – I hope it will be one of the “right” ones, namely those that molly-coddle this calculating monster !

  304. My whole family is opposed to Vince Li ever being allowed out of the locked compound and thus support TIM’S LAW.

  305. I support Tim’s Law and I would go further, amend the Canadian Criminal Code to keep NCR offenders in a mental institution for the rest of their natural life. Since Vince Lee will not have anyone to manage his meds, he remains at risk. How many people does he need to kill before he is stopped? One is too many!

    Vancouver Island, BC
    V0R 1G0

  306. I am in full support of Tim’s Law! An individual, such as Vince Li who commits such a horrendous act should NEVER EVER be allowed any type of freedom. Keep him locked up for the peace and mind of Canadians everywhere! It is well known that unlawful actions are frequently repeated by offenders, that is why the police always look for prior record(s)of an accused.

  307. I support Tim’s Law. I do not want to be in a five mile radius of Vince Li if he is not escorted. He should be locked upand never be free.

  308. Ok…..if they feel he’s not mentally ill anymore,than he needs to carry out some kind of sentence in JAIL!!!!! You have my support Tim!

  309. Vince Li should NEVER be granted unsupervised leaves. I’m sure most Selkirk residents would agree with me.

  310. while i am not an ‘eye for an eye’ type of person, this man should never be left unsupervised, ever.
    this is beyond the pale and out of respect for the dead, needs to change immediately. my thoughts are with tim’s mother and all others.

  311. We have high expectations as Canadians. We want an honest government with high moral standards making laws to protect us all. There are too many gaps in the judgment and standards regarding law making and application. We have to get it right to keep our standards. The legal system needs to take a good long look at the way it operates and the effect it’s decisions have on us all. Politicians, Lawyers, Judges and the RCMP need to step up and take reponsability for how these laws are changed.
    Change the law now.
    I support “Tim’s Law”.

  312. What gives these so-called ‘health professionals’ the right to unleash a vicious murderer to the public. Maybe we should insist that the decision makers keep Mr. Li at their homes with THEIR wives and children, since he’s ‘okay’ now!!!!!
    I’m outraged that the justice system would allow this.

  313. Absolutely ridiculous, that this man should ever walk freely……murder is murder. I fly support Tim’s law.

  314. Just another outrage.! No retribution or punishment for his crime. Instead we feed and house him in comfort, a fashion not enjoyed by many of Canada’s actual taxpaying true citizens. Another foreigner appearing on our shores to wreak havoc amongst our citzens. When does he get his settlement? Like the 10 MILLION DOLLARS to mahar arrar? Or the “UP TO 60 MILLIONS DOLLARS” coming to khadar?

  315. Canada has a very high reputation worldwide.
    But sure, not for the persons who made this decision
    and punish the victims family.

  316. Garth Ruzicka Sask. s0h2a0
    I don’t understand why this creep even got off the bus alive.We just keep slapping the hands of these offenders. I think that the people that get these people off should be held accountable if there is a reacurrance. F…ing lawyers.

  317. This is an outrage and disgusting slap in the face to our society from the government . I pay my taxes and follow the laws u create even tho I don’t agree with some of them.. In return I expect to feel safe that everyone else walking around the same streets as me will abide by the same rules …. Keep this “mentally” ill monster where he belongs !!!!

  318. The review board “exemplified its uncertainty in its determination” that Li should be allowed un-escorted excursions in Selkirk but have escorted visits to LockPort and Wpg. Why the distinction – if the escorted designation has been imposed in any jurisdiction there is still a risk of re-offence and danger. Why are the people in Selkirk subjected to inequity? Are they more disposable, of lesser value, or inferior? Let him go un-escorted wherever he wants – he’s been deemed safe now hasn’t he; or has he? Which is it?- Hmmm experts not sure eh? This ruling says – Lets use the Selkirk population as a test case! Anyone outraged – I am – my family lives there? If he needs to be escorted in one jurisdiction he needs to be escorted in all jurisdictions.

    How about the following test case:

    Provide Li with a room (in a supervised facility) where he is responsible for his own meds and for taking them for long period of time (as opposed to be given to him by an attendant in a cup) to properly access if he is responsible enough to be let free? How about full disclosure of the method to the sanity determination – of course that would infringe on his right to privacy? On and On.

    I have posted before – this is not an attempt to vote twice – but this is supper serious and people need to express themselves where hopefully the ones in POWER can find out how persons feel about this. Change governments please!

  319. He should never be let out. He is a monster after seeing what he is capable of he should never be allowed to re-offend. Our politicians are complete criminals themselves to allow this travesty. They have no regard for the people at all.

  320. He should be either sent to prison for live or send him back to his own country. He will do the same thing to someone else in the future I think

  321. This decision makes me sick. I am disgusted with our government for not working at keeping this monster locked up the rest of his life. He made the decision to not take his meds just like a drunk who decides to drive then kill someone. I have no sympathy for him no matter what the excuse. My family and society as a whole must be protected from someone like this! NO EXCEPTIONS!!! His freedom is not worth the chance of someone else getting hurt PERIOD!

  322. Sherwood Park, AB

    This is an outrage! I think that Dr. Steven Kremer should have Li board with him in his home, with his family, to prove that he really believes Li is a non-threat. Li CHOSE to go off of his medication, which means he CHOSE to face whatever delusions he encounters when unmedicated including injuring or killing someone else, which means he IS responsible for murder. Innocent people should not have to give Li – a murderous cannibal – a second chance. Why are we alway defending the criminals in Canada?????

    1. The reason we have to constantly push our governments to look out for the people is because they are all “criminals” themselves, especially most of the judges at the top. They are constantly releasing pedophiles into the mainstream with multitudes of counts against them and they always re-offend. Now this monster murderer cannibal is being let out to re offend. God help us. He even said when captured “kill me”. I had a son the same age at the time of this heinous murder and it just sickened me. I feel so bad for Tim’s family. This is just the sickest piece of no-justice. Let Li board with the family of the doctor that feels he is of no harm to anyone. I bet he would not want that.

  323. I support Tim’s law. Can’t believe they would think Vince Lee is fine to walk our streets alone

  324. My support is not only for the family of Tim McLean, but to draw attention to the need to change an ineffectual law so this type of tragedy does not occur again.

  325. Dear Carol and family. Just listened to the grotesque interview in CBC. You are to be commended for keeping so poised and eloquent under a hostile interview situation (I contacted the CBC to lodge a complaint).
    Please know that many Canadians think of your dear son and the tragic circumstances under which he died.
    Please add my name to this petition. All my best,
    Deborah

  326. I am so sorry for your loss. I could not even begin to imagine the pain you have gone through.
    This sad excuse for a human being should be sent to roam around the homes of officials that let him
    In this country and the homes of the people who feel he is no threat. Better yet send him back to China.
    This man is a abhorrent to society.

  327. Ontario.

    How could they let this man go free? What if it was one of their loved ones he did this to? Bet you they would think twice before letting him go free. Way to go Canada! You’ve really proven that this is the place to “get away with murder”.

  328. I fully support Tims Law to protect the innocent. Mr.Li is not an innocent man, the doctors and caretakers of this person should have him live beside their families and pray he takes his meds. They ( the medical professionals) even have stated he is an extreme case. Maybe they are the nuts!! You go girl, get this bill passed!!

  329. I full support Carol and will do what I can to help. The fact that Li is allowed out is insane. We are to trust he will take his med’s NOT

  330. Now that Vince Li is mentally well enough to freely walk in society he should be tried for his heinous murder or deported immediately back to his home country. Law abiding citizens in this country are tired of supporting criminals – especially criminals from other countries! Send them home!

  331. Unbelievable! I support Tim’s Law 100 %. When there is a another incident with Mr. Li, I strongly believe his “caretakers” should be held responsible as well for their patient’s actions since they feel he is not a threat to society. Shame on them, and shame on our government!

  332. I am a Citizen of Selkirk mb. knowing that this creature will have any freedom what so ever, will definitely deter me from doing any of my shopping here from here on out, or any other activities I must do. Mental problem or no…..he did the crime now should do the time. Why, as tax paying Canadians, are we having to be subjected to the risks and dangers of him, knowing what he is capable of?

  333. t2s 2e9 – calgary, ab

    It is an outrage that he is getting unescorted trips to the community! i cannot believe the country we live in. li should be executed. period.

  334. I completely agree that there should be a minimum…as long as they require medication they should be retained in a mental health facility to ensure this medication is taken. Free for short visits is only a start, and it’s a disgusting injustice. My sincere condolences to the family of the victim.

    1. This man who murdered Tim should never be allowed to walk free again. 5 years on medication does not mean he would not do this again. Who is going to be there everyday to make sure he is taking his medication? No one. We will never forget .

  335. To allow this man to go free is such an injustice and a slap in the face to the victims family. Regardless of the mans mental state when he committed the terrible act. He is soley responsible for taking his meds so that he doesnt commit such unspeakable crimes. He can say he was not responsible but he was. He should spend 20 years min for taking that innocent life.

  336. V8N 3S6
    Li was lucid when he choose to stop taking his medication, therefore he doesn’t get a free pass to commit murder. Li is “quilty by reason of insanity”, he serves his time for the crime in a mental health facility instead of a jail. We know what he is capable of when he stops taking his medication, therefore he should remain in a mental facility for the remainder of his life.

  337. I am so sorry Mrs. DeDelley for your lose. I wish there was something I could do in your support. I can not express how awful I feel about all that has happened. I have written an editor in the Free Press voicing my opinion and the reply was basically I should do more research about mental health and it is my choice to side with the family. My heart goes out to you. I just can’t believe what has been going on.

    Very Saddened,
    Valerie Jackiw

  338. I think if blatantly caught red handed, no question at all of guilt then Death is the solution.
    He is not a natural citizen. break the law (especially a heinous crime like this) get deported and never allowed back in..
    instead the law is like “hey thanks for coming and murdering a citizen, feel free to take advantage of our heath care and retirement funds”

  339. I would like to get a petition started in Quebec in support of this cause. My heart goes out to Tim’s family. I’m totally outraged by this mans new liberties. Canada for you???

  340. Regina, Saskatchewan ……. What this man did is no excuse what actions he did that day to Tim , because of mental health , hearing voices, what scarie is he’s will be out on his own soon what’s will happen if he is not taking his meds , another inoccent victim !!!!! So not right , this guy will be a repeated affender !!! He needs to be kept locked up and kept regulated on his meds. !!!! ……..RIP Tim….

  341. It’s impossible to trust that this man will never go off his medication for whatever reason. He will either reoffend and kill again, commit suicide or be killed by someone else. He cannot be left unsupervised.

  342. If in the doctors opinion Vince Lee is now Ok to go back in society without supervision … He should be Ok enough to stand trial for the crime he committed.

  343. This man committed such a brutal crime. Who’s to say he will stay on his meds while unsupervised? Too risky!

  344. I have three kids, I can not even imagine. How dare they disrespect a young man’s life? I don’t care what mental state you were in you are not the victim, you don’t deserve another chance.

  345. Tanya Forneri

    Ontario, P7E4R5

    I fully support Tim’s law! Why wouldn’t I…. Psychosis, psychopath-ism, sociopath-ism…really, what is the difference….you take a life, you should give up your’s….why should it be any different just because “they weren’t in their right mind”. Tell that to the other passengers on the bus who has to witness Tim’s Murder….tell that to Tim’s family who’ll never again see him….You do the crime you pay the time….SIMPLE!

    Drunk driver’s go to jail for vehicular manslaughter because they chose to drink and get behind the wheel….well people with severe mental disorders who killed because they CHOSE to stop taking their meds….same deal it was a choice that they made while they were lucid.

  346. Laws like the one Mr Lee hopped through are a disgrace to our justice system. What’s a guy gotta do to be locked up and not trusted in the outside world?? What kind of system are we presenting to future generations? Be Canada: STRONG and free. Not weak and free wheeling.

  347. Shame on Canada!!! I am outraged and demand some justice for Tim and his entire family!!! They deserve some peace closure!

  348. Victoria, BC V9Z 0N2

    My step-father was killed by my very ill brother, Feb. 2013. This is personal. But as the sad case of Tim shows, it can be random. That means it’s personal to all, in the end. Nobody deserves to lose a loved one in such a way. No family deserves to live in fear of further violence should the killer be freed. There must be a balance between caring for the ill, and protecting the public.

  349. Alberta T2X 3T5
    I am in shock over this ruling by so called “professionals” stating he can be integrated back into society……yea what happens when he’s not supervised and decides he doesn’t need his meds anymore??

    1. My fear with my brother, exactly. We’re being assured that will never happen, but… reality is he has previously threatened other family members. Human Rights dictate you can’t make them take their meds. There’s no assurance at all!

  350. Hard to believe that we let people out like him, he should be locked up for life. When the family who loses a loved one has to suffer.

    Edmonton, AB

  351. Marc Charest
    Alberta T6W 0K2

    As absolute minimums :

    1. he should still have to face his victims and/or their relatives once cured. I can see court leniency due to metigating circumstances, or reduced sentence for time served while in hospital… but the family definitely deserve their day in court…

    2. his meds need to be criminally mandatory. If he “chooses” to go off his meds, then the punishment for that needs to be equal to the crime he’s comitted.

    and finally…

    3. the doctors releasing him need to be responsible for monitoring that he stays on his meds.

    I’m appalled at this whole thing and so sorry for the family’s loss. I don’t know how i could cope if this had happened to my son.
    Thoughts & Prayers.
    m.

  352. That man should be in jail. How many more murders will it take before the
    justice system gets it? Do Judges not know the meaning of their job as to protecting society from such evil acts?

  353. Thoughts are with this family as they go through this very difficult time. I don’t agree that Vincent should be given any luxuries and he should stay locked up.
    Dawn
    Winnipeg Manitoba
    R3J 3V5

  354. This man should be locked up for life, whether he has a mental illness or not. What he did is absolutely disgusting. Michele

  355. My heart aches for Tim’s family. The only right thing to do to be absolutely SURE beyond any reasonable doubt that Mr Li will never commit another crime is to keep him under constant supervision. I know of many people with the same illness who are treated, but choose to stop their medication and become a danger to themselves instead of others. They only end up in care once this has come to light to ensure this doesn’t happen. So what will happen in this extreme situation?
    Mr Li had plenty of opportunity to seek medical help for many years prior to committing this horrible crime. And yet our justice system sees him as not posing a threat. Will the lawyers, judges and people who have made this decision be there to make sure he takes his meds? Who will do this if they aren’t willing? Personally I don’t ever want to assume he will remain or become compliant on his own. It is terrifying to think that the justice system will ever truly believe that he will be compliant. All I can say is they will never be able to wash the blood off their hands.

  356. I think the law has to change and not let criminal behavior walk free, he needs to respect the law as all of us do. Tim Mclean isn’t here anymore to speak so we are his voice. No man is above the law, Vince Lee shouldn’t be allowed to roam free, meds can be missed, and resulting in same behavior. Think of all the people now who are afraid of because of this decision, is that right?

    1. Great point! Read how the original verdict went down (its in this site somewhere). Verdict needs to be redone – now is the time – as you said he’s well now.

  357. My Prayers are with Tim’s Family.

    All our Safety is now compromised with these new found freedoms. It sickens me. I hope our Government Leaders hear our displeasure with this injustice to all of us.

  358. Death sentence for Ashley Smith for throwing a few stones and a walk on the beach for Vincent Li rewarding med-evil beheading and cannibalism. It would be a non med-evil act for the doctor to provide his home address – anybody got cab fare for Li to hang out at the Doc’s address on his excursions? Better yet maybe those who want him released should rent him a room in their home, let him live with you as you would have him live with us – think that’s fair – apples to apples! Your door locked, my Mom’s isn’t, she’s 88 and lives across the street from the Mental? If he’s rehabilitated then he should be eligible to have a passport – nice beaches down south – want to start a fund? I’m diabetic and take meds – in spite of the meds I’m still considered sick and not rehabilitated from diabetes. I frequently forget to take my diabetic meds at the time I think I am supposed to take them – get busy, distracted, tired etc. and yet I have a scientific instrument that measures my degree of need for those meds – Li has no such tool. I have family in Selkirk and now I have to worry about their well being over and above the other vices. Just gets better, but for who, tolerance hit the wall yet? Overuse of the tolerance card as this is will result in reduced tolerance and is how I feel now!!!

    Read the Summerville / Li interview published in 2012 – http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/22/greyhound-bus-beheader-vince-li-i-dont-hear-voices/

    – Li states he was told by GOD (voices) to do what he did; later when asked – How would you know you were getting sick again? Li states GOD would never tell him to do anything bad? – My observation is – Isn’t this the voice what caused him to do the heinous crime to start with – guess he’s anticipating more voices? Question Asked – What would you say to Ms. de Delley and Tim McLean’s family? Li States “I would do anything for their family. I would ask forgiveness, but I know it would be hard to accept.” – My Question is – what about giving Tim’s mother power of attorney over your life Mr. Li; wouldn’t that be compassionate and Christian seeing that you follow Christ – it would fall into the category of “anything” or was that something someone told you to say?

    Freely walking the halls of the House of Commons or University Psychiatric departments by someone who is deemed rehabilitated thru medication after NCR Involving any type of death is part of their rights and freedoms – I would encourage this activity – I’m sure he would be removed and returned to the general population without delay – why? Not good for you? – why is it good for us?

    I’m very sorry that Tim, family and friends have been given even more than a life sentence to endure the act of God perpetrated by this individual. Theology has no business in science – have we not learned this yet. Tim’s mom – thanks for your efforts on behalf of all people in this country. Sorry you have had to endure this type of life, would not wish this aftermath on anybody.

    I regret that more people have not expressed their view on this issue, I know they have similar views – but like me suffer from apathy due to watching others being made out as fools and in general accused of being liars by our civilized tolerant CEO’s and politicians. Have lots more to say, but what’s the use, in short we are sitting ducks, walking statistics, lab rats – our remarks / concerns are thought of as those produced by fools; our existence is simply to make the elite more wealthy, politicians more powerful for the sake of power and produce more notoriety and donations for theologians (sounds med-evil – history repeating itself).

    Canadians are generally tolerant, so why not medicate and release Picton and Bernardo – do you think they were sane? I would only agree to the release of Li if he was deemed cured and rehabilitated without medication (would still not rent him a room in my house). This is the 1st time I’ve publicly expressed my view (very frustrated, scared and ashamed).

    I harbor no ill will against Li, but for God’s sake – give the guy a big screen TV, feed him caviar, provide a nice bed and whatever else he wants – but don’t let him out of supervised care – that’s reasonable tolerance – to let him get on his with his life. Tim and his mom simply would only want their original life back without agony – that was their right – who’s going to restore that? Intolerance is what is being perpetrated on citizens’ who’s peace of mind is yet stretched further by those in power, keeping everyone looking over their shoulders in this 9-11 world – soon we’ll have no time to make $$ and hence reduce available income to contribute to the salaries of those people who make these decisions on our behalf. God gave us a brain – use it!

  359. Murder is murder, sane or not. Like anyone else who commits murder, he should be locked up for good!! I would hope mutilating an innocent human being would be seen as completely unacceptable for anyone one! Lock him back up!

  360. PATHETIC PATHETIC JUSTICE SYSTEM.. Who in their right mind would allow this man into the public after he beheaded someone on a public bus.. Makes me nauseous 🙁

  361. He should get out of Canada fast. Send him to his homeland and let them take care of him there. Has he told his parents what he did yet?

  362. This man should be locked up for life, whether he has a mental illness or not. What he did is absolutely disgusting.

  363. sometimes its not about whats fair. We are a democracy and im sure most ppl want this man away. At least give him a an ankle braclet!! :s

    1. That’s actually not a bad idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he already had one.

      And to the person who said ‘why, so he can cut it off’? – they’re designed to make that impossible without putting yourself at risk of amputating your foot.

  364. such bs tim can never walk the streets enjoy life grow old nothing yet this freak gets some rights wth very disgusted with this goverment and their laws and rules such crap and his family and friends have to live with this bs guess that means we can all go out kill someone and o well a lil vacation time in jail then out to do it again no biggie grrrr guess we all need to start packin weapons for protection against the freaks they let out LOCK HIM UP TILL THE DAY HE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!

  365. This is unbelievable. Our government needs to review the justice system. What if this man reoffends? What then? He needed to be locked away forever!

  366. He should be locked up for life, his freedom is disrespectful to the family and to others in the Selkirk community. The more freedom he receive the more it tortures the family. This is sick, keep him in jail.

  367. He should be locked up for life, his freedom is disrespectful to the family and to others in the Selkirk community. The more freedom he receive the more it tortures the family. This is sick, keep his in jail.

  368. Saskatoon S7J 3G8
    Ill or not, this man should never be allowed to walk free again. Once a certain type of crime is committed, all rights and freedoms should be taken away, regardless of whether he was not responsible for his actions at the time. If he was unwell enough once, he could be again someday.

  369. Ok….Vincent was found not guilty due to a mental disorder. Makes me sick.
    He was competent enough to plan a bus trip in a sane sense, then decide to do something as savage as brutal murder. Now that Vincent is deemed sane to wonder the public, he should also be deemed sane enough for a first degree murder charges, the same as any other man out there would get. All this whole ordeal will just promote fake insanities and loop holes in a bullshit system. Why is the government allowing the possible relapse of Vincent. When he should be behind bars for life, ensuring the safety of the public is guaranteed and not comprised. Eye for an eye. Who deemed Vincents life more valuable than justice???? Let him decay in a maximum security prison. He needs to be removed from society, not introduced back into society.

  370. Murder is Murder is Murder. You take one person’s life, you must pay with your own mental illness does not permit such a criminal offence.
    Who is to say he will continue to take his meds un supervised, when it happens again, the court will once again take no responsiblity.
    My heart goes out to all that knew and loved Tim. Canada’s justice system could use an overhaul.

  371. Ugh…. this shouldn’t even be happening to this family. HE IS A MONSTER! WHAT MORE CAN BE SAID! SHIZNIT EVEN CHARLES MANSON HAD GOOD DAYS! My support to Tim’s Law and his family always….

  372. Manitoba R0A 0J0

    This is ridiculous … All it takes is for this man to decide I don’t want to take my meds… Which in all honesty … Some do decide that once they are “feeling” better… Shame on our law for putting innocent people at risk again … You are not welcome in our country …send him back to where he came from! Why should my tax dollars pay for this mans safety and support … Tim’s family is forever without TIM … Shame on those who have deemed him safe … He is NOT SAFE … HE RANDOMLY HACKED OF ANOTHER MANS HEAD ….HELLO!!!

  373. Shame on our justice system.
    An innocent life was taken and he should be held accountable for his actions.
    Our sympathies to Tim’s family.

    1. The police didn’t throw pepper spray on the bus that tragic night…it was so bizarre that this sick individual .even the law was ?? frightened ( I obviously don’t know the whole story)…but this guy is very very sick….and in the history of man ….???? Who does this to another human…and then gets to walk the streets….freely……now that he is co’operative and acting normal. ….NOW HE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS CRIME…..LIKE A JUVENILE..MOVED TO ADULT COURT……….Instead of letting him walk the streets….now have him tried for the sick brutal attack and slaying of another!!!!!! And all the turmoil he caused by taking another’s life!!!!!!

  374. I call bullshit!
    If you are walking around with a hatchet/machete or any weapon of some kind, I believe that intent was already established
    These laws need to change for the better good!
    Nothing good comes out of killing someone and we are all responsible for our actions !
    Alberta
    T3M 0G5

  375. I can’t believe this is even a consideration at this point, it’s far too
    Soon, makes me worry for my family and loved ones.

  376. Saskatoon, SK
    S7R 0L3
    He’s not cured or any better he is just medicated. What happens once he goes off his meds???

  377. He should be institutionalized for life – sick or not he killed a young man and we shouldn’t have to risk this again. I don’t understand why the man that killed Tim hasn’t been deported. Can his citizenship not be revoked? Is there any better reason for citizenship to be revoked than what this man did? So for the rest of this man’s life we cater to him to ensure he is “well” while Tim McLean’s family has nothing.

  378. Why are the physicatrists playing God? He’s cured/under control after a couple years? I call bull shit. This will end tragically and those physicatrists will have to live with their decision the rest of their lives.

  379. The police/RCMP failed Tim that dreadful night when they allowed Li to do what he did for almost 5 hours and now the court system has also failed him by allowing someone who relies on the medication to keep him somewhat sane and the supervision to ensure he takes that medication. Without the supervision the medication will soon fall by the wayside as well ! Canada’s justice system does not practice justice. This is why we have repeat offenders. They care more about the criminals rights then anyone else’s. Pedophiles abuse children are caught and put in jail to serve a joke of a sentence then are released with warnings to the general public only for them to attack another child, women who are abused by their spouses can only get protection orders against their spouses which ends up in them being abused again, murderers kill go to jail and get released on good behaviour, priests sexually abuse boys and merely have their “priesthood” taken away etc…. Where is the justice in any of the areas of law? Where is the justice for the victims and their families? Why is it that only the victims suffer the rest of their lives while those criminally responsible get mercy??? Vince Li needs to rot in a jail cell for life, mental illness or not!

  380. He should be made to wear some kind of ankle bracelet and report in somehow daily or hourly. I would be scared if he were released in my home town.

  381. British Columbia
    V4R0B6
    Someone capable of something like that regardless of
    Their mental state should be locked up
    Permanently. If someone hears voices whether
    Internally or externally we are all capable of choice
    And can choose to ignore them. Our society is
    Way too focused on rehabilitation and reintegration
    Which only plays Russian roulette with the public
    And law abiding people and family that I care about each and every time
    Someone like this is released. Time to start listening
    To the voices of the majority and a bit of
    Common sense.

  382. I live in Selkirk. Where this s.o.b is now being allowed to walk freely! How are
    My children supposed to be safe with someone like him walking freely?!
    Since the review board thinks he safe, why can’t he take unsupervised walks in they’re neighborhoods?!
    If he’s changed enough to know what he did was wrong, then he should have to remain his treatment in prison!
    There has to be something people can do to have the decision revoked! Can we not start a petition to keep him on mental grounds?
    There are schools only a few blocks away from the mental facility, how do they propose keeping these kids safe?

  383. Tim didn’t have a chance of defending himself. Mentally ill or not Li should pay for this unprovoked act and in cases like this the family who’s left with the loss of their son and see the murderer set free should be financially compensated for our bleeding heart Federal laws that allow this murderer to walk the streets of Manitoba. If the Federal Government doesn’t do something about this then the citizens of Canada will default to Vigilante acts and claim to be mentally ill after dealing with their targets. Mark my word, history has proven this and this will happen.

  384. My thoughts go out to Tim’s family. Unimaginable that this man will be able to roam free, a mere 6 years later. Change is needed!

  385. Its wrong what he did and the man should be in prison for life, Drugs will not free him only God can. Put him in jail

  386. The man who killed your son should be in jail for life, |He will k1ll again. I believe in God and what he did is pure evil. And as much as i hate to say maybe i would want to take the guy out even if it is wrong, Wake up you sick bastard in the hospital put him were he belongs.

  387. What is wrong with the review board? If they believe Mr. Li is now deemed safe for the public, it is also time for him to be responsible for his actions. A young man died because of his actions and he must be held to account for what he did. I am ashamed of our country upon hearing this on the news. My prayers are with the family at this time. I hope you all get the justice that you so richly deserve.

  388. I am thankful that I don’t live in Selkirk where he will be allowed to “roam free” from time to time. But should be be allowed to “roam free” in Winnipeg we all need to be watching our backs. Yes, maybe he is okay as he is taking his meds, but they always seem to think they don’t need their meds anymore. Keep him locked up and throw away the key.

  389. Funny how if Tim was the son of one of these gov’t officials Vincent Li would most likely never see the light of day… So sorry for Tim’s family. My heart breaks every time this story is brought up =(

    Manitoba
    R0E 0V0

  390. CANADA ONLY HAS A LEGAL SYSTEM, NOT A JUSTICE SYSTEM,BRING BACK THE DEATH PENELTY! ANIMALS DONT DESERVE TO LIVE AMONG US (sane or insane)

    1. I LIVE IN ONTARIO IN THE TOWN OF PARIS. I URGE ALL LAW ABIDING PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIGN & LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD / ITS TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY FROM THE BUROCRATES

  391. Keep him in a 24 hr. supervised facility for the rest of his life! He should not be allowed the freedom to decide on his own, whether or not to take his medication, nor should he be allowed the freedom to kill again!

  392. I remember when this happened…and have never forgot this story it is beyond tragic…He should never be allowed to be free for what he did. How would some of these people in the justice system feel if that happened to their child….I guarantee that they would not be let out on day pass for sure. Canada has no justice system!….I can not imagine what Tim’s family has gone through since this happened.This Li guy does not deserve any time out of a mental facility for the rest of his life.,
    My heart goes out to Tim’s family.,….

  393. You can’t imagine how the death of this young man disturbed me. He was killed by a savage who has manipulated our justice system. I’m a proud Canadian but I’m so ashamed of our justice system – which is in fact no justice.
    How dare this animal even have the privilage of walking among society. What’s wrong with our country.

  394. Canada must enact appropriate laws that protect its citizens from beign victims of horrible crimes committed by Mentally ill individuals. Recidivism of crime by Mentally ill individuals is a serious issue in our society that needs to be earnestly tackled.

  395. Monsters like this ruin my day. Allowing people like this to roam free disgusts me. Lockthe animal up or put him down.

    Manitoba r2k 1p9

  396. This man should not enjoy any freedom at all…..his victim will never have this opportunity so why should Mr Li ??????

  397. Joseph and Taryn Iampen
    Calgary, Alberta
    T3G6B5

    We are disgusted by the recent decision to give Vincent Li more freedom. His treatment cannot be done after only 6 years. Someone that damaged needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Glad to hear that he is taking his medication and not hurting staff but that does not mean he is ready for society.

  398. This is not right. How will the people of Selkirk and surrounding area function and live with this dreaded imposing fear? I’m scared and I live 1500 miles away. Our politicians have to find another solution but being free to roam is not one of them.

  399. I have lived now, and been proud to live as a Canadian for 66 years, the politicians are not listening to us, they are driven by special interest groups, and so called professionals who are not prepared to accept that some things are not fixable in our society. These people think that they are doing great and stop taking there medication, and go on to hurt themselves or others. what a shame his life would be better off with help and supervision for the rest of his life, a clean and warm bed, and 3 meals a day. They are even making a mistake by putting him in general population, maybe one of the inmates will help with the situation.He should not be let out for his sake and all of ours. Are they going to let the public know where he is. Even though he is not a sex offender, eating people should fall closely into the same category and we should be informed. thanks

  400. This is an absolute joke.They should lock up the people who believe he has a right to be put back in society.Legal system in this country is a joke.

  401. Fucking scum dirt of the earth should get his own head chopped off so his family
    Can experience the pain. Don’t let him free.

  402. Makes my blood boil just thinking about this situation. Mental illness isn’t even the issue here it’s MURDER. Anyone who has murdered someone, mentally I’ll or not, should not be granted freedom… And within 6 years!!!

  403. While I fully support this initiative, I think this petition misses the bigger picture here, and that is inadequate funding/ monitoring/support for the mentally ill. The feds continually slash healthcare transfer payments to the provinces causing erosion in mental health supports and services. The Feds set up a Ombudsman for mental health, but decreased mental health care funding. In BC, our one mental health hospital, Riverview was closed, due to lack of funding, and many of its patients ended up homeless on the DTES. Today, if a mental health patient n BC is to be defined as “in crisis”, they have to already have proven themselves to have caused harm to themselves or others. If not, they get bumped to the back of the queue, to be put on interminable waitlists, with only drugs non-profit support groups and maybe your GP monitoring you. How do I know all this? Because I am a mental health patient. You want things like this to stop happening? You not only have to tighten up the criminal justice system, you also have to properly fund mental healthcare. Both ends, people. Victor Li would not have murdered Tim McLean had he been receiving proper mental healthcare support for his condition n the first place.

  404. The loss to the family in the manner with which it happened is horrendous and to placate to the offender is like hitting ‘replay’ over again for them and trivializes their loss. I understand the complexities of mental illness completely but what baffles me is the idea that this person left on his own with the condition he has is to be trusted to continue to take his meds in supervised. The justice system has failed on all accounts.

  405. The law as written does not reflect the belief system of most Canadians, it needs to be changed.

    Alberta T2N 4T3

  406. Don’t let him out! Make him be responsible for his actions! He murdered someone, don’t say he didn’t know what he was doing, he fully knew! And he will do it again, and i don’t even like being a couple hours away from this sick pig. He needs to be supervised 24-7!!

    Manitoba R6W 1N5

  407. Don’t let this maniac out! Please reverse your decision Review Board! Those psych’s are very wrong about Li, I can feel it in my bones. Don’t let him kill another person! Keep him locked up for life! Our laws need a major overhaul, this is one example of why! Thanks, I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada

  408. I fully support your petition. It is unthinkable anyone who could commit such a crime is allowed unsupervised back into the community.

  409. Andrea Walkus-Andrew, British Columbia, V0N 2P0
    He should never ever be allowed freedom again! He took the life of a young man in a horrible way. This young man never had a chance to show the world what he was made of.

  410. Vince Lee commited a heinous crime and should never be able to walk the streets anywhere freely! This man should be locked up for life!!

  411. Randi Erdesz Ontario N6C 5E1. That man should NOT be allowed on unsupervised visits anywhere. It bothers me he is even allowed any freedoms. Not criminally responsible is a joke. He did terrible things and is capable of doing them again. What happens when he stops taking his meds??? I think a lot more people would sign this petition if they knew it was there to sign. I only heard about it right now. Maybe try to get more publicity about it. Good time to do it, being that his unsupervised visits are in the news….

  412. Do not let him out. He seems like all is fine right now because he is under supervision. What happens when he is not monitored?? Will he take the meds he needs? I wouldn’t want to be the one to make the decision, what if it happens again! How would you feel, the man needs to be monitored 24/7!

  413. The granting of Vincent Li any right to unsupervised or supervised leave is an absolute embarrassment to human decency. I am deeply ashamed of our justice system and my heart goes out to Tim’s family.

  414. He should go away forever for what he did. I dont care is he is insane if he cant be civilized he belongs locked up.

  415. To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a minimum period of time.

  416. EVERYONE who commits a crime unprovoked murder should in the very least have to pay for it – they must be held responsible whether their life is spent behind locked doors in a jail or in a mental institute. The accused is not about to lose his life as he took his victim’s. No one is asking for him to be tortured. But, by all that is Holy, no way does he deserve to lead a life of freedom! No other living creature should have to live in fear of the slightest chance of a repeat performance! Why should another unsuspecting family have to endure what Tim’s family has had to endure! Rapists and murderers are constantly let out of jail because they’ve “done their time”, and yet, they re-offend, again and again – THAT sure hasn’t worked, has it! Why are the guilty pardoned while the victim(s) and their loved ones are of no consequence? No healing for the aching hearts of the victim’s loved ones – no dignity afforded them! What a shame that our Government can even entertain the idea of letting the accused back onto the streets where there are innocents, everywhere, awaiting an unsuspected slaughter at the hands of someone so deranged that simply forgetting to take his medicine, whether by design or not, can be enough for him “to hear voices”, once again, that “tell him” to commit yet another horrid crime! SHAME on all of you who have the power to allow someone his freedom where there is even the slightest chance of a repeat offense! Do you have any idea of how you sicken everyone? What if it was YOUR son or daughter that he decides is the “enemy”, THIS time?!

  417. Re Tim McLean’s murderer allowed unsupervised outings:
    I am totally shocked about this, and want to give my deepest sympathy to Tim McLean’s mother, family and friends. You must feel totally heartbroken once again about this new betrayal of your son. Please be aware that most Canadians would not want his murderer to go free, after what he has done, and the very possible risk of harm to others.
    And I hope you will consider broadening your petition, possibly through a site like Care2 Petition Site (http://www.thepetitionsite.com).
    Please, anyone else outraged about this, contact the Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, at http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/contactpm.

  418. 6 years is not enough time. There are saner people sitting in prison on lesser non-violent charges who will do more time – all I can say is PM Harper, this is not being *tough on crime* Keep him locked up, he’s a dangerous offender.

  419. enough of this. What rights do Tim’s friends and family have except the torture of knowing what happened to Tim. Keep this guy locked up!

  420. My heart goes out to Tim’s family – Perhaps the people who are granting the unsupervised visits–Should offer up THEIR neighbourhood as a starting point.

  421. When is the government going to stop being politically correct and actually pass laws that punish instead of coddle.

  422. All is said . We need a LAW . God help us with this
    Canadian “I am sorry ” and Canadian “second chance”
    I am RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN OF CANADA and DOCTORS should be too
    They are allowing this sick person to be rehabilitated . Please Help us as a society to understand your Crazy point of
    View . Change the law .., if this sick person is Not sick enough to stay in the hospital
    That person should be RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIME . Charge him for the crime now when he is walking free on the streets . That’s the law that’s the justice

  423. The Law is wrong! Every man despite his “mental” capabilities is able to choose. This man chose to take a life just as he chose to get on that bus. Families of the murdered need to be granted comfort in knowing the person responsible will be incarcerated. This crime was so heinous he should be in prison for life. He is Evil to the core!

  424. His crime is the work of a devil he’s fighting inside and that will never go away. You can’t cure someone like that, ever. Especially not in 6 years. What the hell are people thinking?

  425. Having suffered from major clinical depression, I understand what mental illness is all about and what it can do a person’s thoughts and make them totally irrational. I take my SSRI’s daily which work fantastically…miracle drugs. However, I was never a danger to anyone else but myself. This guy is a ticking time bomb and therefore should never be let out into the public, especially by himself. Our justice system and government is way out of touch with their duty to protect the public. They are playing Russian roulette with public safety. Maybe if this guy kills again but this time a family member of a major public figure, then laws will finally change. I know that he did not kill Tim on purpose but unfortunately he did and therefore public safety must come first and he should remain away from the public. My heart pours out to the mother and family of Tim. What a tragedy to lose a child this way and now to add insult to injury to release this murderer into the public. I can’t imagine how awful the mother would feel bumping into her son’s murderer on the street. He took her son’s life and doesn’t deserve to be walking the same streets as her son can no longer walk. Politicans please do something to fix this and yes, call it Tim’s law, in memory of Tim.

  426. Calgary Alberta T3G 1S9
    I find it appalling that a person guilty of such a horrendous crime be a free man, set free to roam the streets and enjoy life. the system is letting so many people down and leaving a family forever lost. This man is a threat to society, sure he’s on medication but who’s going to be there to ensure he is taking them? Who’s to say he won’t miss a dose and become ill again… he should not be given that chance. Tim’s death should not be in vain and that is why Im signing this petition! To Tim’s family and friends Thank you for trying to save others from this fate. I hope something will be done and my prayers are with you all. Take care.

  427. I’m not interested in sympathetic so-called “professional” shrinks and legal bureaucrats who think this insane monster is now okay to walk the streets like normal people. I’m only interested in the terror and paranoia of parents and people who live in the same community and have to always be on guard against this monster going off his meds. That’s the only barrier against the same horrific crime happening again. i think Vince Li should be permanently removed from the planet. Failing that, to be locked up and medicated and controlled for the rest of his life in a safe institution. God forbid this happens again. Canadian justice sucks and this should not be happening.

  428. I absolutely support this petition. This was an appalling crime.
    The decision to give Mr Li some freedom is extremely insulting
    to the victim and his family. All the concern goes to the murderer
    and nothing to the MacLeans.

  429. Make some sense of our Justice system.. this decision to allow Vince Li some freedom, ANY freedom is OUTRAGEOUS!
    He has lost his right to freedom, sick or not..he committed a brutal crime!

      1. I remember this happening. This is quite an ethical issue however my heart is heavy with sadness for Tim McLean who is no longer alive and for his mother and family who are grieving and recovering, including the driver/passengers on the bus and first responders. The man who murdered him is recovering and we need to be cautious about uncaring and reckless statements that fuel fear and misunderstanding about mental health.

        1. Your kidding right? If not invite him over to your house to live. This monster killed this boy, ate parts of him and severed his head from his
          Body. Guess your attitude is ” by the grace of god go I ” let’s hope this
          Never happens to you or yours.

  430. I’m signing this and I’m fucking bi polar. There are some people out there that are just unsafe and should be monitored or even given the death penalty. This man was deranged and should face prison time just like a real offender. Killing someone is a crime whether you are mentally ill or not. end of story.

  431. How sad for Tim’s Mother….so many years of caring and time erased by a troubled soul. And to let him out unsupervised is criminal..

  432. To ever allow this man freedom again, supervised or not, is RIDICULOUS!! He should be behind bars for LIFE!! I say if he re-offends and kills again, then every person who has had a hand in allowing him back into the community should be held accountable also!! There is no way these “professionals” can guarantee it won’t happen again.

    Kamloops, B.C.

  433. British Columbia. V8J2Z6

    If a year from now your child was leaving on greyhound bus and you saw Vincent Li boarding, would you leave your child on that bus or would you put your child on the next bus?

  434. St. Catharines, Onatario L2R6P7 I am sorry to say no matter how well educated doctors are they cannot say for certain that these people will not reoffend!! Our justice system is in real need of an overhaul. My prayers go out to Tims’ family then and now. Brad made a comment which I totally agree with. I am embarrassed to call myself a Canadian to know that we have let this person out into Canadian society with even the remote chance of this happening to another family!!

  435. I think people convicted of such crimes, should have to check in daily for their medications. Failing to do so, would result in immediate apprehension, and additional physcological evaluation.

    Here is my signature for this petition.

    Rejean Sawchuk
    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    R2N 0B8

  436. What can I say that hasn’t already been said. Justice needs to be served. Vince Li should NEVER BE FREE!!!! He lost all rights to that the day he made HIS Choice.

    May Tim Rest In Peace. You will Truly be missed by sooo many and forever loved.

  437. What has society come to? Allowing a man to make his own decisions, when his history clearly shows he is incapable of humanity?! Who will be held accountable to the next family Vince Lee destroys? Or whatever his name will be!! The judge who lets him free? Certainly not.
    He needs to be kept in a padded room. Or be put to death if there is no other guarantee he won’t EAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. COME ON this isn’t justice for Tim McLean. This is appalling. And shameful.

  438. Shocked to read they are letting this Monster out on day passes unsupervised, I wouldn’t want my family living in the same community as this creep, he should never see the light of day.

  439. This is unfortunate. While I empathize with your loss of Tim, reoffending happens with mentally I’ll and mentally sound individuals. Furthermore, You are painting all people who are found with NCR with the same brush, medical illness, treatment and support systems will all play a factor. This is penal populism at the grass roots level and it’s scary. There needs to be discourse from both sides and invoking the name of one deceased individual does not adaquately reflect Canadian society. Finally, perhaps we should be more proactive, have a robust health care system that catches these cases and keeps mentally ill off of wait lists and with easy access to help. I do not support this petition.

    1. I agree. Vince Li is our modern day Hannibal Lector. How disgusting that the deciding factors of the Criminal Code Review Board think otherwise. Let him bunk in at their homes and see how well they sleep at night! Shame on them.

  440. Guess what? He is almost out and a free man! Unsupervised visits granted today and moved from lock down to wander free if he so desires. Talk about Stephen Harper kicking the MacLean family in the teeth! Li will be free soon to save all canadians taxpayers the cost of incarcerating him. And now that he is fit to stand trial why isn’t he? Stephen Harper I hope your family meets with worse fate the MacLean family suffered!

  441. murder is murder is murder, they why shouldn’t matter, we need to ensure that penalties are paid by all criminals regardless of there mental state.

  442. The message here is that we do not respect the victim. There was a very good show on TV a couple of months back describing why Canada has no respect for victims. Basically this is it in a nutshell.: There are only 35, 000,000 people in Canada footing a very huge corrections budget that is geographically spread out just as big as USA ‘s area. We have much more crime due to our relaxed justice system per capita. We basically cannot afford prisoners who cost too much or stay too long in Prisons. The victim is not of concern here. Just the cost of incarceration. Canada foots the bill for a very large health care system as well which covers the cost of Mental Health Care and as soon as patients can be real eased the less expensive that incumbrance becomes. If the public would clue in and take the law into their own hands, they should have noticed by now that the justice system is not going to be too hard on them, then the cost would not be bourne by the Gov’t Health Care and Corrections systems! Overall, stop expecting the Gov’t to be your judge jury and executioner! It’s all about money. There is no justice in Canada for the victim! Every time the RCMP help out, the public screams bloody murder! Their solution? “Then do it yourself!”

    1. yeah right!!!he just “happened” to have a weapon.put him away so he won’t get a chance to”lose it” again..imagine what the mother has to deal with.as if losing a child in ANY way isn’t horrible enough.

  443. Simply outrageous that Tim’s killer is allowed out AT ALL.
    Funny how the police in certain cities like Toronto will kill a person that is mentally sick, yet the RCMP DID NOT do this.
    It would have been in everyone’s interest that the RCMP should have put this MAD DOG Li down when he brandished his knife .
    The RCMP should have unloaded all their clips into that Greyhound bus and finished Li off once and for all.
    Simply disgusting, we can only hope Li will meet an untimely death and soon God willing.

  444. Absolutely disgusted with our justice system, it’s failure to properly prosecute individuals like Vince Li makes me sick to my stomach and embarrassed to call myself Canadian!

  445. I have to say that I am pretty disgusted with how relaxed our country is on crime especially the horrific crimes. It’s embarrassing! Please change our law’s because I think…correction ….i know that we are due for a change!

  446. It would be really nice if this petition made a difference with these ridiculous laws and we start to protect the innocent victims of these brutal attacks instead of those committing the crime.

    Keswick Ontario

  447. Until there is a way to guarantee the mentally ill patient is taking the required medication 100% of the time when unattended there is no safety guarantee for the general public. Therefore prolonged segregation from the general public is necessary.

  448. No one can even assess the neural pathways in a person’s brain, let alone determine if they have changed after treatment. For this crime, this man should remain forever inside. Normal tax-paying citizens shouldn’t have to accept this staged release. Done.

  449. Please change the consequences for those that are found “not criminally responsible” We won’t be safe until this has changed!

  450. He needs to be kept in an mental ward if that is why he claims he commuted the crime… Because he was mentally unstable. People can come visit him, he shouldn’t be let out in public, there is nothing saying he will not commit another grotesque crime!!!

  451. He should never walk free, they can’t guaranty he will keep taking his meds once he is out!!! He never should have been aloud to leave the bus, the RCMP should be ashamed!!! Yet in other altercations of a much less violent nature the police (both RCMP and City police) have no trouble overstepping the law in use of excessive force. Something is very wrong with our legal system from parliament down to the glorified mall cop’s they call the Police.

    Saskatoon,SK

  452. I will go as far as saying…. If you take a life, your life should be taken. I stand by that no matter what mental state that person is in.
    Winnipeg, MB

  453. Disgusting to hear there letting this guy have freedom.Should be locked away for good.Our justice system needs some serious changes.

  454. He should stay in jail under control forever same as any other killer out there. He is no different then any other person that got life time jail. It is the wrong decision that they let him out because if ” that voice ” tells him to kill the person beside him again he will do it just like how he did it in 2008…

  455. Tim’s killer is non-delusional for now…until he decides to stop taking his meds…just like any other schizophrenic. He will always have the potential to be dangerous because he’s shown he has that capability. A sad day for Tim’s family. A sad day for victims.

  456. Any murderer deserves life in prison or the death penalty (first degree, second degree, or any person with mental health issues.) If you have mental health issues it is your job to get help and medication, no one elses. Anyone who kills someone else has mental health issues, so it sounds like the government feels we should let everyone out who kills. Oh I forgot this is what is actually happening. If you kill someone you have LOST your right to remain in our society. We have more murders and murderers today than ever before? Why? Because the laws let murderers out of jail when they should never be let free. What will it look like in 10 or 20 more years? More murders then we can imagine. Criminals have all the rights and victims have none. There is no such thing as rehabilitation, nor should they have the right to even be given the chance. As Canadians we are passive people. I think a large percentage of people would agree our laws are NOT HARD ENOUGH!! SO why are the laws not changing? We must come together and speak up or the law will never change. One day it could be you who has lost a love one or know someone who has been murdered. I do not want to be this someone. Bring back the death penalty. I can’t believe few people have signed this petition. SPREAD THE WORD to everyone you know to sign and have them spread the word. Together we can make a difference.

    Kim
    Windsor, Ont
    N8N 2B5

  457. This is what’s called getting away with murder, what the hell is wrong with our so called justice system.
    It’s time to revamp the system.

  458. These things happen because we live in a lawless society. When someone takes a life (outside of self defense) that person should loose his or her rights for life. Things will only get worst because the world has forsaken God’s law. But we must do what we can to promote godly justice. God will judge all according to their works —>>> Rev 20:12;13

  459. I’m ashamed of our justice system. Ashamed. How can a system be so twisted in it’s pursuit of justice, to somehow have this insane killer walking free? How? Perhaps if he viciously murders and decapitates the son of a judge next time, he will get more than free meds and a slap on the wrist.

  460. He should still be held accountable for his actions and be kept in the mental institution for the 25 years for the crime he committed. To many people that have mental disorders are doing crimes and just going to a mental hospital for a very short time and then being released and statistically over 75% percent of them are re-offending. I strongly disagree with his release for a human being was taken away from his family something they will never forget and will always miss that part of their family. I say that anyone who is found not guilty by mental disorder should serve the same amount of time in the mental hospital.

  461. This man should not be allowed to be in public at any point, his crime was grotesque and he is responsible for his actions, he should not ever see life outside of a prison for the rest of his remaining life. he was dangerous and will be again as he will go off his meds and again kill another innocent person but get away with it again because he was not responsible..Bullshit!!

  462. Ontario, M2N6B5.

    Why the Police did not shoot Li dead on the bus is a question never asked and answered. Many others have been gunned down for doing far less, and yet no Police enforcement entered the bus and did the same to Li? Heads should have rolled at the RCMP from the fallout of that horrible evening.

  463. I think Vince Li should be escorted to any visits to anywhere travels, the city of Selkirk and Winnipeg should be scared, and he is following the doctor’s that is ok, but just wait till he misses taking his medication and murders someone again, then we will see who made bad decisions. I vote for the Tim law!

  464. Holly Stewart, Nova Scotia, B4N 3V7

    It makes me sick how well these individuals are treated, and the freedoms they are granted. I support Tim’s family!

  465. Laws have to be stricter on mental health laws. He did the crime he should do life for killing such an innocent kid.. Sad. This upsets me. It’s wrong.

  466. My heart goes out to the McLean family. I cannot imagine the horror you have suffered and now to be defeated by your own government, a real tragedy. If there is any way I can help further, please do not hesitate to reach out. Love & Peace to you.

  467. It’s very disgusting that some many victims not only suffer from the hurt caused by the acused/offender, but they also suffer by the hands of our flawed legal system 🙁 I have once been a victim and the offender in my case too has his freedom …. Shaking my head

  468. It saddens me that Tim’s murderer is likely to be granted unescorted visits into the community as I read today in a citynews article. All it takes for a mentally ill person to return to his/her dangerous state is the failure to take his/her medication. Your government and you country has failed you Tim. I’m sorry.

    1. I have to agree with you 100%. If he was let in Canada he should be deported. If he was born here jail for the rest of his life!!!

  469. I propose that a new law be enacted called “The Vince Li Surety”… When a dangerous criminal like Li is released back into society, he be required to live next door to as many of the guru lawyers, advocates, psychiatrists, and parole board members, directly involved, as possible… Surely that would be fair, eh?

    Digby Neck, Nova Scotia

  470. Prince George, BC V2N 5C1

    I cannot believe this man could be out and about. What about the young man he killed so violently. Maybe Li feels bad now or is co-operating in the facility he is now in. But what happens when he’s not there or not taking his meds? I sure don’t want to be around him or my family.
    Maybe changing the laws will at least encourage people with mental problems to at least think about seeking help before they hurt some innocent person.

  471. well i for one is extremely happy this law has been passed…it breaks my heart to think back to May 28, 2002..i lost my cousin, best friend, DAvid Kennedy to the hands of Layne LaRose..i pass him on my drives to family and friends places..how are you suppose to feel, he is free, to gamble, drink, smoke, go to family gatherings…where is DAvid, why is he robbed of a good life with his daughter..who is now a young teenager…sisters and brothers, his mother who has a empty heart, a empty chair at family gathers..the millions of friends who hold saddness…this may not help all of us..but it may help someone else in future..maybe date this law to 2002….all i can say is its about time…comments are welcomed…

    1. The law must be changed for violent mentally disabled criminals or so called non-criminals. These so called Doctors who advocate unsupervised visits for Mr. LI should have him stay at their home.

  472. I support the premiss that a person found guilty of murder or any other crime of violence even if found not crimminally responsible be held in custody for a specific period of time. It is only reasonable to ensure the safety of the general public. This would allow for treatment or help for the offender and if the offender refuses treatment – to keep them in custody.

  473. He should have been shot dead on the bus. The RCMP didn’t do their job and now he’s gonna walk free. What if it was their child he has walking around the bus with a chunk of heart in his mouth holding up a human head. Shame on this shitty system.

  474. Since he is ‘better’ as the legal system states, he should be ‘better’ enough to stand trial AND spend the rest of his life in jail… In public population. He took someone’s son, took his life, Vince’s life should not be spared. He should be locked away for the rest of his life

  475. The evil in this case is compounded by the justice system. I demand an eye for an eye. or heart. or head. Society is not made unsafe by vigilante justice. I think we should have law enforcement in place just as it is to protect the rights of the innocent. BUT when we have a guilty verdict then we can have the offender be dealt with by the victim’s families. or me.

  476. I am glad this is still open 6 years later because this is something very serious and people need to realize that the justice system is not protecting everyone like they should if they think that allowing Vince li more freedom is the right thing to do!!’

  477. Eye for an eye, I’m sick and tired of people doing evil, unspeakable crimes and blaming it on insanity ” the demons made me do it .” And the Law believing this shit, more or less let them walk, and act like the monster’s a victim!

  478. I do not think he should ever get out. He is only stable because he is taking his med’s once out he will stop taking and someone else s life will be taken.
    Keep him in the nut house.

  479. Murder is murder, whether you are found mentally stable or not. Vince Li should be made aware of his crime and justice should be served and he should stay locked up. NO privileges.

  480. This person should NEVER be allowed to walk freely, His horrible crime needs to be punished severely !! Lock him up for the rest of his natural life. The justice system needs to get their heads out of their ass !! The public should not have to worry about this criminal walking free among them. He did the crime now he needs to pay for it, Lock him away & forget he exists…..If he is so-called cured by his Dr. then send him to prison. Wake up Manitoba
    Justice Dept…

  481. Vince Li should never see the light of day again…..he murdered an innocent young man that still had his whole life ahead of him…..I agree with Sandy Laramee saying that now you have “fixed his illness” then he should be spending the rest of his life in prison, where someone can monitor him and make sure that he takes his medications…..or send him back to Edmonton where he is from and let them deal with him…..

  482. How can anyone who has killed be freed into the community to potentially kill again?? Yes, he has been “rehabiliteted”, but I want a guarantee that he will not kill again. How can you prove that he is taking his meds? He has already proven that he is not capable of remembering to take them. Prison seems like the safest place for this killer. Please allow Tim’s family to rest easy that this horrific incident will not happen again by passing this law and keeping Vince Lee incarcerated.

    1. vince li is niether rehabilitated or cured because his illness is incurable….He’s cooperative,there’s a big difference don’t you think?

  483. Not only should Vince Li be let out in fear he would reformed but the fact that his safety will also be @ risk. There are many people out there that are still very angry about the out come of this and will take matters into their own hands.

  484. Winnipeg, MB – This man had been diagnosed and was on a traetment plan for a mental disorder before committing this appalling act. he had stopped taking his medication and this was the result. If he is released will there be someone to ensure he takes his medication everyday? He has already proven that he cannot in fact be trusted to take his prescribed medication regularly.

    1. nope the programs and resources do not exixt especially in more remote locations. Why? lack of funding for such programs. “critical and severe shortage of mental health care providers nationally”… I heard being told to the Federal Justice Minister at round table discussions on the matter that I was invited to attend last August.

  485. You put him in an institution and “fixed” his mental illness. Good. Now put him in prison to pay for the horrendous, disgusting, unforgivable crime he comitted!

  486. I do not agree with the Canadian government on things that you are declared mentally unstable, if so, you still have the same human rights as everyone else, you commit a crime you should pay the same penalty, people who are charged for first or second degree murder let alone man slaughter should no longer be considered as human but as animal or a beast. If you have killed someone you are able to do it again merely “without knowing” is a load of garbage, if all of us where mentally unstable their would vs e death after death and government would not Care. This needs fixing,

    My thoughts are with the family of the deceased, you have a lot of people on your side who love you and Care about you. People need to realize Canada is nota warzone, we do not need people killing people, eating people, we are supposed to be the peaceful county, but what are we becoming?

  487. Kerry MINSKY, residing in St Clements, Manitoba, R1A2A8
    This Vince Lee should have no rights. He commits one of the most gruesome murders to speak of and only in Canada do we even have this discussion. He should be incarcerated for life. No freedom whatsoever. Still shocked he has escorted freedom. If our government is prepared to give him these privileges then the particular individuals within our government who make this decision should be held criminally liable should he kill again.

  488. I have many family and friends that live in Selkirk and fear for the safty if this monster get out to walk freely in my home town ..he needs to be supervised at all times …in and out of that instatution!!!

  489. He should be behind bars and not allowed any sort of freedom. Even if he is mentally unstable he is a threat to the public. This is unbelievable to me!!! He has scarred many lives with what he did and the people that were there will forever hve those images imprinted in their minds. Not to mention the family and friends of the man he decapitated..and ate..so disgusting and not something that should be taken lightly.

  490. Give your heads a shake. Vince Li deserves nothing!! I am ashamed to be Canadian when the justice system only hands out 6 years “punishment” to a criminal of this violent nature. Sure, his medicine is currently serving him well, and his run-ins with the others at Selkirk have been cordial.. Give it up. Selkirk clearly doesn’t want him.. And frankly, neither does Winnipeg!

  491. Elkhorn,Manitoba. R0M 0N0

    Leave him in there for good!!! Why should he have any privileges? Why does the justice system continually look out for the criminal and not the victim or his family. It’s just wrong to give him any privileges!

  492. The value of a persons life should not depend on whether that person is found mentally stable or not, murder is murder. It is a horrible act of violence and I hope Li is put away for a long time – you rehabilitate a drug addict, not a gruesome murderer…

  493. Once again our justice system is more concerned for the criminal than for the victim and his family. Letting him out is wrong on so many levels. He brutally butchered a young man…leave Vince Li in jail to rot!!!!

  494. Nicole, Manitoba, R2C0M2
    Your family should not be having to go through this, you’ve been through more than enough!

  495. Mr Li himself said in the courtroom, to the officials:”please kill me” because he knew he will never recover and be normal. he knew he would kill again if set free. if the government cares about his wellbeing then save him from himself! government is so concerned about the costs of taking care of him over the cost of an innocent life!!! I will never sleep again knowing he is out there

  496. Brandon, mb.
    If this psycho is set free then our justice system has officially failed us all! Its one thing to let pedophiles out now we are going to let murderers out too? Disgusting! The government should be ashamed for even considering his freedom! Maybe we should be head him and torture him and claim mentally I’ll! If he’s released never mind the public being safe, I think you’d have to worry about that animal being safe from the concerned citizens!

  497. This happened right outside my town. He had Tim’s flesh in his pocket. He is unfit for regular society and needs to be detained. R1N 3B7

  498. I think his doctor needs to give his head a shake to even consider letting this man walk around unescorted.. I dont think anyone would feel safe. And dont think he would be very safe either if the wrong people crossed his path..
    Dont let this monster walk free. We have enough walking among us

  499. This man should never be a load to walk the streets…If we allow this to happen how many more people will die..Enough is Enough R.I.P. Tim.

  500. Vince Lee cut off a nice young mans head off for no reason. I DONT understand how this guy Vince Lee could be able to be un supervised after his Hanus Crime. He does not deserve to be in supervised. After brutality murdering an innocent person. The justice system needs to re think this sitchuation

  501. Manitoba R7A 3P6

    standing in support of Tim McLean’s family and friends….if Vince Li is “sane” enough to be out unsupervised, he is “sane” enough to serve time in jail………….

  502. This person should never ever ever be unsupervised or trusted to be responsible for taking his own meds, not ever.

  503. Vince Li should not be allowed to have the freedom to do whatever he pleases, that an amazing young man had taken from him. People bring so much awareness about a mental illness, but don’t take it seriously, because if they did, what happened to Tim would never have happened.
    Vince Li is definitely accountable for his actions for the simple reason that he and many others knew he was/is schizophrenic, but yet, he refused to take his medication and it was not out upon him to make sure it was taken. Instead it was ignored. So because he decided upon himself to refuse to seek help or take his medication it is HIS doing on what was done, and he should NOT be allowed to walk free and he should be in a prison and NOT a psychiatric facility – if his doctor sees fit for him to be free then he is fit enough to be in prison for his actions –
    Sorry for my rant, but this is a matter of which should not be taking so long to deal with and the Givernment should NOt be making The McLean and extended family suffer time am time again.
    <3 RIP Tim, I truly hope that True Justice is served soon.

  504. R0G2P0 typical always so much help for the offender when they Just gotta sit there while victims and their families suffer for the rest if their lives!

  505. There is always too much emphasis on the healing of the “mentally insane” murderer when the victim’s family needs should be prioritized. They have to live with the pain of losing their loved one while the accused walks free after a short time. If the accused is not responsible for his/her violent actions, they should never be trusted enough to take their medication on their own and they should have to do a mandatory sentence for the life they took.(Perhaps this would show them the seriousness)

  506. Rivers, MB, R0K-1X0. There’s no justifiable reason to let Vincent Li, a brutal murderer, out from detainment. He is a legitimate danger to society, and we as Canadians should not have to accept his being allowed back into Selkirk on “unsupervised” visits.

  507. Safety first !!

    Sorry Vince you gave up your human rights when you decided not to continue to take your medication for your mental illness, when you knew the possible consequences for not doing so? You are a grown man and need to take responsibility for your actions. Why should the rest of humanity suffer by living in fear, if you are granted to mingle freely? Not fair! Clearly a punishment needs to be implemented!!

    Winnipeg, Manitoba

  508. I agree that Vincent Li deserves the same punishment that he would have being a mentally stable person.
    St Francois Xavier
    R4L1B2

  509. I AM SIGNING THIS PETITION BECAUSE I BELIEVE VINCENT LI SHOULD BE KEPT LOCKED UP.IT IS TOTALLY DISGRACEFUL, INSANE, AND PATHETIC THAT OUR CANADIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM WOULD EVEN CONSIDER LETTING THIS PSYCHOPATH GO FREE SO THAT HE CAN MURDER ANOTHER INNOCENT VICTIM LIKE TIM MCLEAN.

  510. N2H6M3
    If we as a society want to rehabilitate the mentally ill who committed horrific crimes than fine but our first priority should be the safety of our people. Someone who is mentally ill and commits murder should remain in custody for the same amount of time as a mentally healthy individual who commits murder. Our safety is simply not worth the risk.

  511. There is a major need for law reform where both murderers and pedophiles are concerned. It’s disgusting that these people that these criminals are free to roam the streets. This man should be deported back to where he came from.

  512. Ontario P0T2M0
    Please protect all of our citizens. Li gave up his rights to freedom. Tim died under the assumption he was safe from that kind of insanity. Do not let this man kill again- for he surely will!

  513. I agree with everyone else that has signed this petition – that Mr Li should not even have any time outside of the institution where he is right now. The man he killed does not have any more choices to do what he wants/needs so Mr Li should also not have any. And has it not been proven that a person with mental disabilities has stopped taking his meds and no one even knew so PLEASE do not let this man out on any day passes or any other kind of passes even if he is guarded. Thank you.

  514. MB. R3j. The system should take in account the severity of the crime. NCR or not.I don’t want this monster here.

  515. I live in Winnipeg MB and am subjected to the possibility of this man walking my streets unsupervised. I believe that murder is murder. It shouldn’t matter if you are criminally insane or not. Once you are found criminally insane and “CURED” according to your psychiatrist you should then have to serve out the remainder of time in jail for the crime you committed and do the minimum time. Sure they can say he is “NORMAL” now but what happens when he isn’t being given his medications on a daily basis by the medical staff monitoring him? What happens when he gets back into society on his own and STOPS taking his medications? Do we have to live in fear of this man committing the same act again? If this doctor wants him released then let him be responsible for him and let him serve the time when Mr. Li commits another heinous crime such as his past crime. Is he willing to do that? Is he willing to do the jail time for Mr. Li when it happens? If not then Mr. Li should be denied any further freedom. It is time that society stops being so accepting of the laws and start demanding that they be changed. I don’t want this man in my community! DO YOU???

  516. Mental Health or not what he did is inexcusable and he should have the chair or used Medical Research he’s useless anyway , and will reoffend .

  517. Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 4K4

    I live in Winnipeg MB and am subjected to the possibility of this man walking my streets unsupervised. I believe that murder is murder. It shouldn’t matter if you are criminally insane or not. Once you are found criminally insane and “CURED” according to your psychiatrist you should then have to serve out the remainder of time in jail for the crime you committed and do the minimum time. Sure they can say he is “NORMAL” now but what happens when he isn’t being given his medications on a daily basis by the medical staff monitoring him? What happens when he gets back into society on his own and STOPS taking his medications? Do we have to live in fear of this man committing the same act again? If this doctor wants him released then let him be responsible for him and let him serve the time when Mr. Li commits another heinous crime such as his past crime. Is he willing to do that? Is he willing to do the jail time for Mr. Li when it happens? If not then Mr. Li should be denied any further freedom. It is time that society stops being so accepting of the laws and start demanding that they be changed. I don’t want this man in my community! DO YOU???

  518. Calgary Alberta T3B 1K5

    A certain danger and threat.
    Who are these specialists who decide our safety? Here’s a suggestion: Take him to your house then if he’s such a regular guy. C’mon. Get real. Let’s start honoring the victim’s rights not the violent offenders like Vincent Li. Tim McLean (and many others unfortunately) will never have a second chance. We’re doing something very backwards and wrong here.

  519. Mental illness is a terrible thing. I don’t believe that he is “cured”!! He killed Tim while he slept! Tim had done nothing to him. He was found guilty of murder and a heinous one at that. He still needs to be accountable for his actions. If he is found to be “all better” now, then he should finish the remainder of his sentence in jail! I don’t understand what Canada could possibly be thinking!! Can we really afford to take the chance with another life?

  520. Vancouver BC
    V3h5k3

    This monster should not be allowed back into society.
    Lets not forget the horrible way in which Tim was murdered.
    Li is not possibly human. That was a monsterous act to which only someone
    who doesn’t posess human qualities could do.
    There is no gurantee that he won’t reoffend.
    I have lost faith in our justice system. By letting Li out, we are essentially saying
    that its ok for people with mental illnesses to kill.
    Doctors and psychologists will treat you then let you free into society.
    There are no guarantees that such an individual is trusted to continue his meds
    while out on his own. Therefore, putting innocent people at risk to be harmed.
    Hey, depression is a mental illness too. Will those people who suffer from all forms of
    Mental illnesses be excused from committing acts of murder?
    Where do you draw the line? Scary. I know one thing, i would never feel safe being on a greyhound
    ever again.

  521. This is unbelievable, our justice system is a joke and this petition should have not needed to been created. The death penalty needs to come back

  522. Whether Li is legally insane or not, an innocent mans life was taken way before his time…And in the most horrific way. Why should we forget about this man. Murder is murder, whether he was in his right mind or not. If he can’t be in prison, then he should still be locked in a psych ward for the rest of his life. Why grant him Freedom, with the risk he could do it again. All he has to do is miss a few pills and we could easily be dealing with the same situation again. I find it extremely irresponsible to even consider giving this man any un supervised outings. Have some respect for Tim, he deserves justice.

  523. John Di Fruscia
    Toronto, On
    M5A2T3

    Laws must evolve to protect our society from ticking timebombs. I teach my children about consequences. These laws don’t teach any lessons.

  524. Add me to the lust. I dont want him walkeding around Winnipeg. Hopefully some one will take it upon themselves to kill this guy…. Fingers crossed.

  525. Canadian passport holder residing in the u.s. with my husband. Not sure if my signature will count, but I have to try. Rochester, new York, USA. Postal code 14607

  526. This is wrong on so very many levels. I understand mental illness. Li murdered a man, in cold blood. He murdered a son, a brother. Our justice system has become a laughing stock. And now murderers are allowed to wander freely among us without punishment. No one is safe.
    Lindsey Gaehring
    Alberta
    T0J-0Y2

  527. Let him out and he may kill again….who will be responsible then? the re-offending criminal or whoever has let the beast out in the first place?….
    Get real, keep him locked up!!

  528. This is more personal to me than most people know. That fact aside, NCR affects everyone and Needs to be fixed.

  529. Sigh, he did the crime, he should do the time. Pretty soon the justice system will be no more, due to the human rights of mentally ill patients, and the fact that every 5 years, more people have a “mental illness” that “requires treatment”. If it keeps up, depressed people could go murder hundreds, and blame it on depression, and not be held accountable. -_-

  530. Our system is a joke. I understand that he has mental issue, but because of that he should remain in the mental institution. His progress does not a bit guarantee that he won’t strike and take another innocent life away.

  531. Winnipeg man, r2m 0e8

    Canada’s justice system is a god damn joke. This man deserves to rot in jail!!! Even then I feel that’s too easy!! I can’t stand hearing this crap!! He’s living way to easy as it is now!! I was livid when they put him into the hospital! For someone who doesn’t deserve to live!! Sick or not. He’s a threat.

  532. I don’t not feel safe taking another greyhound knowing that people like him are being released into society with merely a slap on the wrist.. Winnipeg is my future home, and I do not want that man running free unsupervised.

  533. He should have been executed in the same fashion as Tim was. Our justice system is a JOKE. Shit like this makes me ashamed to be a Canadian. Winnipeg, MB

  534. He should have been executed in the same fashion as Tim was. Our justice system is a JOKE. Shit like this makes me ashamed to be a Canadian.

  535. Schizophrenia is not a curable illness; he needs constant medication, treatment & supervision & to be in a controlled environment. NO unsupervised day passes, no unsupervised access to the general public; NO chances to reoffend

  536. This is just one more example of how our judicial system has degenerated into a tool for profiting from the misfortune and misery of the innocent. So a bright light is snuffed out forever by the callous act of one, and we now dedicate valuable and finite resources to making sure that offender is comfortable. Am I the only one who sees this as backward? The offender should be accountable to dedicating his remaining life to making atonement to those who’s life he has forever damaged. Where is the justice for the family of the brutally murdered man? Should the family feel comfort in knowing the miscreant who forever destroyed their possible happiness is now being treated as a victim by the state?

  537. He should stay right where he is. Mental illness or not, he comitted murder. People are jailed for life for smaller crimes everyday. Leave him where he is. He likely already has it better than most of us out here!!!!

  538. this is absolutely unacceptable that he will be being released for unsupervised visits into the community… absolutely shocked.

  539. ThatI think that if these Dr’s feel that strong that “Vince Li” should be allowed to walk free and possibly reoffend regardless the % they say ! That they had better sign a document that states of one thing happens as a result of Vince Li being allowed back into general population , that they The Dr’s are held responsible period !!
    That they these Dr’s get the same sentence that Vince Li gets, should and if he does reoffend !

  540. Don’t let him out. I am a believer of “if you kill some one then you should be prepared to die also”. This is such a laugh, now they will let him out, how stupied. what kind of a life will he have, lonely, and miserable, no one will have any thing to do with him, so he will be depressed again, and whamo.

  541. I think this piece of crap should be released from the asylum and put in regular prison where he should have been in the first place. Or maybe these know it all doctors, who stand up for his rights, should bring the scumbag to live with them

  542. All judges and psychiatrists who rule that murderers like Vincent Li be released, should by law be made to live next door to said killers, or even house them under their own roof. Then we’ll see how these judges and psychiatrists really feel about the safety of releasing these killers,

  543. Vincent Li will always represent a danger to the community and should remain locked up for the rest of his life. No release, ever!

  544. While they may not be criminally responsible I do believe they should be supervised for the rest of their lives. My greatest sympathies.

  545. HE SHOULD NEVER WALK THE SAME GROUND AND BREATHE THE SAME AIR AS THE REST OF US. LIFE FOR A LIFE. 6 YEARS OF LOCKUP AND HE MIGHT WALK AROUND FREE AFTER WHAT HE DID.

    THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN CANADA SUCKS AND NEEDS CHANGING BIG TIME.

  546. These dangerously mentally ill people cannot be relied on to take their medication, so the law must intervene. The public’s safety should NOT come in second place to the rights of a dangerous mentally ill person! Li should NEVER have complete freedom, because he cannot be trusted to take his meds. I had the unfortunate experience of working with a mentally ill person who would sometimes take her meds, but as soon as she was feeling ‘better’, she would stop taking her medication because she thought that she didn’t need it….and then she would act crazy….erratic and non-sensical. There was just no reasoning with her when she was like this! Thankfully she quit and I no longer have to deal with her. I am not insensitive to mental disorders, but the people who have a mental disorder that poses a threat to the general public must be dealt with differently by the judicial system than the current system in place. I fully endorse Tim’s Law, and I hope it comes into being. The grotesque-ness of Tim’s murder still haunts me to this day! My sincerest sympathies to Tim’s family and friends. May he be at peace now.
    Desiree Constantinides
    Ontario
    L2H 2P6

  547. This whole issue makes my blood boil!!!
    To even think about letting that person go free is ludicrous !!!!
    I’m a mom who’s son takes that same bus at times
    He could easily have been that mad mans target
    My heart breaks for Tim’s family and friends
    If that person(I can’t refer to him as a man) has gone off his mess before,he will again
    Then another poor family will bury their loved one
    Please let some common sense come into play here.

  548. My heart goes out to Mrs. DeDelley, her family and all the other families in situations such as this.
    These criminals have no right to be able to wander the streets with innocent people. As far as I’m concerned, the law makers should wake up and realize that these inmates are probably putting on a good act only to be set free. They are loose cannons are will attack again.
    Maybe the lawmakers would sing a different tune if one of their family members had fallen victim to one of these monsters.
    Canada is too kind to criminals. Although it would not bring back the poor souls taken by these sadists, I strongly believe the death penalty is a suitable punishment.
    May God’s blessed light shine forever for every victim…

  549. If you kill some one and a lawyer and doctor prove to the court that you were not in your right mind, the dead person remains dead. I’m a fan of the death penalty, this guy is still responsible for the act here could be healed then put in jail for murder. The deceased can not live a full life, this killer killed Tim and his potential offspring and future support to his parents. The doctor should be held personaly responsible for his stupid request.

    T9M 1A5

  550. I believe he is getting better, but that is because he is fully supervised and his meds are given to him. Most people when they start to feel better stop taking their meds because they believe they don’t need them anymore. If released, he will not be fully supervised, meaning he will relapse, which means he will hurt again. He killed Tim while he slept. Tim had done nothing to him. He was found guilty of murder and a horrendous one at that. He still needs to be accountable for his actions. He’s “all better” now? Then he should finish the remaining murder sentence in jail and not the nut house!

  551. Edmonton, AB T5Z 3M9

    For Tim’s Mother. Keep fighting. Please.

    Shame on Canada. It’s unthinkable that this is even really an issue. V.L. should NEVER again be trusted with any type of freedom.

  552. I believe an eye for an eye. He should not be allowed freedom let alone be allowed to breath. I am very sorry for your loss Carol.

  553. He doesn’t deserve to get out. Canada needs to be more strict with people killing the innocent. Peoples lives are are priceless.

  554. Mental illness is a terrible thing. Yes he may never hurt anyone ever again but you just can’t take that chance. He should live out his life Confined in a setting where he can be supervised should he become sick. You just cannot take that chance to let him out in society after such a crime.

  555. No one who is declared not fit to stand trial due to mental deficiency should be cared for the the remainder of their lives in a safe and secure environment. Someone designated with a mental illness will slip back if they are not constantly under the supervision of a care giver and taking the proper medication at the proper time. It’s fine for a psychiatrist to say he is making remarkable progress, but he or she should have to guarantee that the Mr. Li will not re-offend with the firm understanding that if Mr. Li does re-offend the psychiatrist is willing to give up their medical license and return all payments made to him or her by the province while Mr. li was in his/her care. That would make the medical profession think twice before releasing someone who most definitely has the ability to re-offend if not taking the proper meds on a regular schedule. Unless supervised, no one can guarantee Mr. Li, nor any other person will take their meds when required to do so.

  556. Thousands of people live with schizophrenia (with and without their medication, diagnosed and undiagnosed) and they have not committed a crime so horrific as this man has. He should never be allowed out in society with or without an escort. Keep him locked up for the rest of his life.

  557. Is this honestly up for discussion?? He is well beyond a risk, he is a MURDERER!! Who has commited unspeakable EXTREME violence to a sleeping innocent man. What’s next on his to-do list when he is released?? A daycare?? Come on.

    Getting better you say?? I say he is learning to act the way you want him to act in hopes that you are stupid enough to let him out. Guess what : even Doctors can be manipulated. 😉

    PLEASE DON’T MAKE THIS MISTAKE!!

  558. He should be treated like all other criminals. Once he is living on his own, who will be there to MAKE SURE that he takes his pills AND if he doesn’t it makes him very vulnerable to reoffend. What a horrible feeling for the Mclean family and for all of Selkirk citizens etc. He should be in a mental institution and followed forever to keep US ALL SAFE!!!!!

  559. There’s a difference between beheading someone and punching them in the face! He should be segregated from society for the rest of his life! The person that he killed doesn’t get more freedom!
    Winnipeg, MB R2C 4G3

  560. Life in prison should = life till death – for an act like this it makes no difference whether deemed criminally insane or sane – pay the full price for what you have done – no parole ever – it’s simple life in prison. Families and loved ones of this young man shouldn’t have to go through what this family is enduring.

  561. Alberta

    It’s past time Canada’s Justice Systems gets it together, it is a complete joke right now. Absolutely disgraceful that I even have to sign a petition so that a psychopath, who could devastate a whole country with a crime so gruesome, is not allowed to rejoin society.

  562. He is responsible period. The circumstances behind it does not change the fact that Tim is gone ….. people need to be held accountable for their actions without exception.

    R7B 2P8

  563. I can’t believe that this law is not in place! This guy did a disgusting and horrible act… and then he basically gets to live his life and soon possibly to be more free? pass the law… put it in place!!!

    Williams Lake
    V2G 3N9

  564. T8A 0J3
    There is no excuse for what Vince Li did, it’s one thing for two random guys to get into a fight and one ends up dying, that is something that a guy can learn from his mistake and be allowed to come back into the real world one day. What Vince Li did and others like him have done is why I believe even life in prison is not enough. For guys like Vince Li, the only option I see is capital punishment. I don’t think every murderer deserves capital punishment but in extreme cases like this one, it is needed. It sickness me that some people think that Vince Li can be “saved” or can be treated and become better. The tax payers money saved from not having to support these animals/monsters in mental hospitals and prisons could go towards providing more options for people with mental health problems before they take ones life in such a brutal way. As well as support to families who have lost loved ones.

  565. R2J 0H6 Lives have been lost, mentally ill people should be held responsible for their own actions. Physically eating the lifeless body. Apprehensible!!! Lets keep these people off the street!! Keep our families safe!!

  566. Please pass Tim’s Law. I don’t understand why this has not been done already. I remember this awful crime like it was yesterday. Why are they so worried about how shitty Vince’s life is!? Fuck Vince, what about Tim? Tim is the victim here, and his poor family are victims. If I was in charge I would use scumbags like Vince for things like exploratory medical research, because they are animals and serve no purpose in life other than to cause others horrible pain. Vince does not deserve a life outside that hospital, and I pray for the family and our society that they do not release him.

    Saskatoon, SK
    S7H 3C8

    1. I’ve always supported capital punishment for crimes like this one but the medical research is a good idea. I am no doctor or scientist but maybe someone can find out what is wrong with Vince and be able to treat others with mental health problems BEFORE they take someones life. I support helping people with metal health problems but once they do something like what Vince did. Mental health problems or not, there is no excuse. Capital Punishment or Medical research are the only options.

  567. I understand mental illness, but when one commits such a heinous crime, and our system lets this person wander freely in society, question the system. Something is very wrong! Which we all are very aware of.I feel for Tim’s family, I as a mother could not even imagine what she feels, The visions in my mind would never end.My beloved son being beheaded on a grey hound bus, and you let the insane man go to freely walk.No I dont think so, What is wrong with our system? This man if off his meds could do this again.So much for our protection, this system is not working.Do what is right a help this man from himself, and keep our society safe.

  568. Mental illness is something people hide behind to get away with murder. If they cant control or understand their actions they should be locked away for the safety of others and that holds true for those people likely to reoffend once their times been served (both murderers and pedophiles alike). You should not have ANY rights once youve ended a life in cold blood….mentally ill or not, and anyone who commits murder or pedophilia is OBVIOUSLY mentally ill…do we really need a diagnosis to determine that?

  569. I did not know about this petition, would have signed it much earlier, please keep it ‘out there’ and hopefully more people will know about it and sign it. The man who murdered his 3 little children in Merritt, B.C. has just applied for day parole….please don’t let this man out, the mother of these children is terrified of him, she SHOULD NOT have to go through this every two years!

  570. Cranbrook, BC, Canada – There is no where to leave my postal code and I won’t leave it in comments for safety. Thank You.

    1. yes it has.There is no legal mechanism in place to require these mentally ill killers to continue treatment and meds after they are released with no criminal record. The programs don’t exixt because there is no funding for them

  571. I think all the “mentally ill’ killers, Should be kept in a hospital for life. There needs to be tougher laws in Canada, So that criminals don’t have an excuse! The NCR act is just another excuse that defence lawyers can use. Honestly these people who kill under being mentally ill, should be away for life! Sick or not. Or about bring back execution. If it were up to me anyone that comitts an act would be used for experiential purposes, that way we would
    Not be using innocent animals. That would be justice. A criminal is waste of skin, and should be treated like a
    Guinea Pig!

    Thank you!

  572. Manitoba, R2N 4P2

    Did not know this petition existed or i would have signed before. More and more people are being diagnosed with mental disorders these days and probably less than half are taking their necessary medications. In fact many haven’t even been diagnosed yet as they refuse to see a physician. Pedophiles that are believed to likely re-offend are also released back into society and I don’t understand this. More and more tragedies will await us if changes aren’t made. We will be creating our own zombie apocalypse!!

  573. I am appalled by this, I did not know there was a petition, I truly believe you must have mental issues to do this and I also beleive they should be locked up forever. Murder is murder and those that commit it must be locked up.

  574. I could never imagine losing a son that way, & even tho the courts found li not responsible, he should still be accountable. The bible says an for an eye, & tho we couldn`t go that far, the message is still clear. I have had issues with mental health for years & problems with the right mix of meds, but that doesn`t mean it would have been o.k. to go out, kill someone, & blame it on voices in my head. Blessings to the entire family & mostly mom…..

  575. Capitol punishment needs to be re-instated here in Canada. To act as the ‘ultimate deterrent’ for crimes such as this. To anyone and everyone.

    At the very least, “life imprisonment” should actually mean “life”, not a short stay and then parole with few limitations.

    Minimum sentences should be required for any/all crimes purported by any/all criminals. Whether they have the mental capacity to be ‘cognizant’ of the crime is irrelevant. If they have the physical ability and the mental prowess to commit such crime, then they have the moral fortitude to PAY FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

    Simple as that. Anyone who actually claims otherwise is delusional.

    1. Sadly we have a non punitive system.(I believe there should be treatment and punishment)Even more sad is the fact that some mental illnesses are not curable. So how do we rehabilitate illnesses??? How do we live in another man’s dellusions??Fact is we can’t…..

  576. Seba Beach, Alberta
    My heart, prayers and love go out to Tim’s parents and family.

    The Canadian laws have to change when it comes to murder. Far too many people are either getting away with it, or receiving way too much leniency in Canada (Life should be Life, not 25 years).
    Vincent Li entered that Greyhound bus, armed with a knife, fully intending to kill someone, and he did so in the most horrific way imaginable.
    In my opinion, that is not the behaviour of a mentally deranged individual; that is the behaviour of a cold-blooded killer committing a premeditated murder.
    Vincent Li should be held accountable for his actions, and be charged, tried and convicted of First Degree Murder, nothing less.

  577. There must be a way to ensure others are protected without making it law to have a mandatory minimum incarceration period. If someone suffers from post-partum psychosis and kills her child, is a mandatory minimum incarceration period the best answer there as well? Not sure about this. Regardless, the NCR designation and consequences do need to be discussed. Thank you for raising this question, and I’m sorry for your suffering – simply unimaginable.

  578. Sorry to hear of such poor support. I am ashamed of today’s world. It is not within reality anymore. It’s not who best suits the position that gets the job but the visible minority that looks the part.
    People only see what they want to see. This world is so loaded with brownnosers that they all want a Gov job.
    All I can say is worse than communistic Russia ever was.

  579. Is ANYONE really sane, that takes the life of another? ALL people should be held responsible for their actions. My father was brutally attacked by someone ‘off their meds’. Thankfully he lived. The attacker was released upon agreement to take his meds again (which he had proved he was not capable of doing). What kind of society protects the criminals and not the victims.. Laws need to change.

  580. British Columbia.

    If a normal offender goes in for 25 years with no parole for murder and they should have to spend their FULL time with no good behavior considerations to reduce their time. then someone who is found Not Criminally Responsible Should spend the same amount of time in a facility where they get treatment but yet are kept out of society. None of this BS they did with Li and letting him out in the local community after a short amount of time because they felt he “improved” He only improved due to taking the meds he had Originally refused to take!

  581. I did not know this petition was around or I would of signed it long ago!!! Don’t give up if you decide to keep going I will give everyone I meet oon the street the link to sign this petition where I live

  582. Vincent Li should be in prision serving life. mentially ill or not, this guy killed an innocent man and basically got a slap on the hand.

  583. This petition needs to be reignited. Everyone post this on their pages. Let the Voices of Tim Maclean, Nathan Mayrhofer &the countless others who have gone without proper justice.
    Today is the day Ken Barter, the murderer of Nathan Mayrhofer, has his 3rd reveiw. Today, Nathan’s mother, father and family must relive this horror. This is an injustice and an insult to the Canadian judicial system.

  584. I hope Vincent stays in a mental hospital or go to jail. If he’s killed once its just a matter of time til he does it again…so keep him locked up forever..

  585. Hang these sick killers to ensure safety of the people they haven’t killed yet and to give the families of those murdered a sense of justice and closure. A rabid dog isn’t kept on meds, it is put down. Same should apply to these murdering nut cases.Would they still let these sick pukes out if they murdered a full stadium of 3000 people? Murder is murder whether its 1,2 ,3 or 3000 people.Sick murdering pukes should never have the chance to kill again /.These are proven murders plain and simple .Should be auto hanging for proven murders.

  586. I’m so sorry for your loss…

    what I wish would have happened to the waste of life, who should remain unnamed…

    The RCMP should have pasted this sick F#*% to the bus floor with the contents of each and every sidearm available that night…

    A rope with hangmans noose should have been in each one of the Mounties cruisers, that old Manitoba maple would have been a great place to end this whole Social Engineering charade…

    The full sentance of the crown should have been thrown down… 25 years without any chance for parole…

    I wish Tims Law would go a lot farther, especially during the Harper Governments tough on crime days majority.

    In 1971 Solicitor General Jean-Pierre Goyer, announced in the House of Commons, that the Trudeau Liberal Government had decided to emphasis the rehabilitation of criminals, rather than the protection of society in the administration of the criminal justice system; and subsequently the Liberal Party while in power totally transformed sentencing in the criminal justice system

    the last 40 years of liberal dream land isn’t working anymore; wake up canada… justice must be served here!

  587. Winnipeg, MB, R3M 1L8
    May Tim’s tragic murder be remembered in the future as a spark for change in our penal and medical systems, both of which do not currently address the needs of public safety and mental health.

  588. Swansea, UK
    All my kindest thoughts and support to the family and friends of Tim Mclean. I hope this petition makes people wake up and realize, not just what is going on in their town, but around the world everyday. If we wake up we can help each other. I hope justice is served.

  589. As the sister of the man who stopped and helped everyone off the bus that night and who help Vince on the bus until RCMP arrived, I sign this petition. Tim was not the only victim, all involved were victims of this horrible crime. Tim is the victim that doesnt have to live with what happened, all the others have to live it everyday.

    KEEP VINCE LOCKED UP FOREVER!

  590. I support Tim’s Law.
    Winnipeg
    So sorry to the family.
    Vince Li should have been executed. The money being wasted on his treatment/confinement could have been given to Tim’s family to assist them in accessing councelling.

  591. I have a murderer in my family who murdered his own Father. He went off his meds and killed my brother.Who can guarantee that he will take his meds once he is given the green light to re-enter society? NO ONE CAN because a main symptom of the disease itself is to go off the meds time and time again throughout their lives. Next time he goes off meds and becomes delusional, one or even many more will die, do to you or them having to be killed because of some plot or voice telling him he has to get rid of you or them. Society should have the right to be protected from the sick or mental murderers, just as any other murderers. These people should not be allowed back out in society. The needs and protection of the many should always outweigh the needs of the few.Its very sad for me and any family to have to go through this and they shouldn’t have to worry about going through it again by releasing these sick people with no cure back among us.

    1. I Fully support Tim’s Law.E2G 1R8.Its time for the public to demand the gov’t and these judges and psychiatrists that are giving murderers a second chance to kill, to Stop this reckless release of murderers before they murder again. If one of these murders kills again, all the people involved in getting them back out to kill should be charged with murder and held criminally responsible .Its time for common sense to come back into the legal system and start protecting the people who are not murderer’s.

  592. Medical personnel treating Vincent Li cannot possibly know what is truly in his mind. Perhaps if psychiatrists were held responsible for the future actions of Vincent Li and other ‘ not criminally responsible’ murderers, they may be somewhat more reluctant to allow their freedom. I fully support Tim’s Law.

  593. If you give this guy his Freedom-I promise never to vote again-and I will
    stalk him when he`s “out & about”, as he is stalking his next feast of eyeballs.

  594. The decisions that have been made regarding more freedom for Mr. Li are a worldwide embarrassment to Canadians. It is pathetic that Tim’s life was taken so tragically and yet his murderer is able to spend days on the beach! Only in Canada!

  595. I fully support this law! I agree that the psychiatrists who treat Li should be held responsible if anything happens to someone else, they r the ones who let him out! they cannot predict the future! how do they know he will take his meds, and do the meds really work? Why take the chance on other people’s lives, he should be held in jail or psychiatric hospital forever! Is there a schizophrenic cure? No! So, leave him in care, protect everybody! I feel for Tim’s family, they r not getting their justice. It would be scary to see that freak out and free! Laws need changing!

  596. No one can guarantee Li will continue to take his meds and not re-offend. It is high time the rights of the offenders stop trumping the rights of the innocent taxpaying public.
    Those who make the decision must be held responsible if the patient they choose to release re-offends. It is just too easy to say ‘oops’ when it happens again.

    Manitoba, R1C 0B9

  597. I fully support Tim’s law and all of us need to stand up to the court system and say we are not allowing people like Li on the streets.

  598. I totally support Tim’s Law and believe in keeping people like Li off the streets and in facilities to serve time as he should be. Whether he was mental incompetent at the time of the killing people like Li ,when mentally fit, needs to be detained in prison for the rest of his natural life.

  599. Keep these people away from law abiding citizens. How can the rights of one person trump the collective right to be and feel safe? Not right.

    Wouldn’t it be great if NCR’s were made to reside with the psychiatrists who released them? These “doctors” should be held criminally responsible for anyone they release who violently re-offends. It disturbs me that psychiatrists are unaccountable for THEIR actions. They think they’re so smart. They know what’s going on in a person’s head. Wow, super human powers combined with medication = society is safe.

    I support Tim’s Law.

    Karen Charters,
    Surrey, BC V3X 2C1

  600. I am glad that this man is no longer tormented by voices telling him to kill people. I am horrified that he is being allowed out even on escorted passes into the community, some day to be free to perhaps sit beside me-or anyone else-on a greyhound bus, or anywhere else. YIKES!
    I will always remember Tim, and his family and thank them for this petition.

  601. Manitoba, R0E 1Y0
    The “Criminally Insane” who have physically used a weapon to murder belong in a prison and locked up to protect all children of tax paying citizens even if a doctor says there is less than 1% risk in the individual to re-offend. There is still a chance and “any” chance conveys criminal negligence on the part of our justice system if this man is allowed to walk the streets of Manitoba. This is not a human rights issue, this is a public safety issue.

  602. I too fully support Tim’s Law. A person who commits such a horrific crime since we don’t have the death penalty in Canada, should be incarcerated for life. This Law needs to be implemented A.S.A.P..

  603. Who IS criminally responsible for this crime, then? If people saw what happened and confirm that it’s Vince Li, there should be no questions asked, automatic jail term with no chance of parole.

  604. Hearing on the news tonight May 13,2013 that Vince Li will likely be allowed to go to the beach??? has sickened me!!!!
    I will tell you this. Having worked many many years in emergency I came face to face with repeat psychiatric patients who were of one kind of threat or another to themselves or others. They would be admitted to the psych ward and medicated and over time released. Only to return months later in the same shape as their previous visit. They would tell us that they were doing just fine and didn’t need to take their medication any more…so they just quit ! Noone seems to realize that this happens over and over and over. And it will happen with Vince Li! That is my opinion based on what I have seen and experienced.
    Thank you

  605. I am compassionate and understanding of those who suffer with mental disorders. I support individuality and truly support positive well being. I do not judge or marginalize those who have disorders, as everyone is different. I also fully support Tim’s Law, 100 percent. A state of psychosis (loss of touch with reality) should not justify cold blooded murder and allow one who’s committed so to walk freely upon receiving medical attention. On a daily basis our health care providers release patients who require a much greater amount of medical attention remaining oblivious to the realities, ( No intentions on bashing them either, okay critics?) I’d feel much more at ease with the knowledge that individuals who would commit murders with mental disorders were considered as criminal as those who have murdered and have not been diagnosed. My own belief is that anyone who would commit murder for any reason other than self defense, probably has something going on up there that isn’t right. A diagnosis shouldn’t let them walk!!!

    1. “I’d feel much more at ease with the knowledge that individuals who would commit murders with mental disorders were considered as criminal as those who have murdered and have not been diagnosed”

      I agree

  606. Any so called professional who thinks li should ever be allowed to be free has lost their moral compass and surely lack common sense.We all need to raise this issue with our MPs and the PM.Maybe we could also remind them that the public should not have to push them to fix such obvious problems.This issue should have been dealt with by them long ago.

  607. I support Tim’s Law 100%. As it stands the current laws have it upside down. Really.
    Cathy McGill
    Ajax, Ontario L1S 4T6

  608. This should have been in place along time ago, but now we need to stand with Tim Mclean and help to stop another family from suffering pain

  609. I support Tim’s law. We need stiffer penalties in Canada. Our system is a joke and get out of free jail card for any serious offender. It’s digusting and a disgrace !!! My heart goes out to the family and friends of Tim, what a beautiful young man and taken too soon because of some creep !…..Tim is the only victim here !! Clearly anyone who kills is mental……it’s called being insane and they need to be behind bars !! There is no such thing as getting off because of a mental disorder !! Joke Joke Joke !!! Things need to change…and the frightening thing is that someone like this criminal will be put back into society only to reoffend…and take someone else’s life and destroy their family…..I can guarantee this guy will re-offend therefore how can the system not see this? Just take a look at the Stats……they speak volumes !! Things NEED to change and I pray that they do for Tim’s sake !! God Bless….:)

  610. I fully support Tim’s Law ! It does not matter if a person is or was mentally incapicitated at the time. The person must be crimnially responsible. Society must not keep using mental illeness for someone taking a life. (They MUST Do The TIME)

    Marc Glenat
    Manitoba R4H1E8

  611. I fully support this. I believe offenders who are ‘not criminally responsible’ should be treated and incarcerated.

  612. Lisa Parker
    British Columbia V4A 2E9

    I feel for the families of the victims, and let’s not forget the witnesses, of tragic events that likely could have been prevented had the criminals received the help needed.

  613. This was a gruesome, horrible crime; there are no words to describe the extent of it.
    Without changing the justice system, we are all potential future victims and we need to be proactive about preventing it from happening again. Get the changes passed and make sure our children are safe from these types of killers being released into society.

  614. Amy Walsh
    Alberta, T9H 5M5
    I fully support Tim’s Law! And will spread awareness as this is an issue that is of the greatest importance!

  615. Yes, mental illness is a sickness but when it causes someone to violently torture and kill another human being or animal then it’s time to change the laws! Vincent Li should have been held criminally responsible by reason of insanity. In this case the death penalty should be brought back to Canada. When an animal is rabid they put that animal to death, it should be the same with Vincent Li.

  616. There are no words to describe the horror of this crime. For no one to be held responsible is a crime in it’s self.
    We need to fix the system that allows these monsters to rejoin society as if nothing has happened. If the Canadian Justice System refuses to recognize the problem then we, as the possible victims, have to take it upon ourselves to force this change. Call your local members of parliament and strongly demand an immediate restructuring of the criminal code to make sure these guilty, mentally ill killers are never set free again.

  617. My wife and I strongly support Tims law and feel it is long past time for changes to happen in the system so we start protecting the victim rights instead of the criminals

  618. The victims of this kind of crime have no rights, but the purps have all rights and access to everything. Yes they need help mentally but should not be released back into society after brutally killing innocent people like this.

  619. The rights of victims are less than those who create harm. This is wrong!

    “Canada is a legal system, not a justice system.” – Quote by RCMP Sergeant

    – Velvet Martin, mother of Samantha – SAMANTHA’S LAW

  620. Enough is enough!!! Justice for victims, not for criminals. Jail time or mental institutions – they should not be on the street threatening the society including safety of our children. If they are not responsible for their actions, then there’s no trust in what they can do next. JUSTICE FOR VICTIMS!!!

  621. Mental disorders shouldn’t be an excuse for pardoning criminals. A crime is a crime. And, a victim shall always be a victim regardless of the perpetrator’s state of mind.

  622. How easy is it to fabricate insanity?
    How many defense lawyers advise their clients to act insane.
    Why do defense lawyer’s solicit for payment a psychiatrist, usually a social buddy, when the Crown subpoenas the provincial psychiatrist, who is on salary? Many times their testimony is contradictory!

    Our justice system is lopsided in that high profile lawyers could probably be in hollywood because of their ability to sway a jury, particularily when the ‘buddy’ system works in their favor.

    Lee should not be released into the community. Should have been sentenced to a life sentence in a mental institution.

    Politicians need to be more accountable to the victims which include family and friends.

  623. Justice for the victim, help for the families…..jail for the crimanals, that goes for the ncr also. Fix their brain, then send them to jail for the murders they committed.

  624. Lorraine Milobar – Province of Ontario K4K 1K7

    Tim is gone but we will never forget him, and so many of them killed by Not Criminally Responsible (NCR) … It is too late for us to save Tim but we can save other through TIM’S LAW…

  625. Calgary, AB t2m 1e4. It’s disgusting how the government of Canada cares more for the offenders and is willing to serve them on a silver platter than it cares for the potential victims.

  626. Kristoffer Palma
    British Columbia
    V3L 3S6

    And if it were up to me these murderers would be swinging from trees by their necks…

  627. BC, V6P 3A3

    I don’t think the issue here is the legitimacy of the “not criminally responsible due to mental disorder” condition, but rather what happens to individuals who receive this label after they are released by the courts into psychiatric facilities. I’m sorry, but if someone is capable of committing a heinous crime like the greyhound butchering without being culpable then what is preventing this person from doing it again? Medication and treatment? If it were that simple I doubt the crime would have been committed in the first place. The irony of the view held by many “professionals” within the pssychiatric community that because individuals with severe mental illness cannot be held criminally responsible, and therefore eligible to serve time in prison, for their crimes, due to mental incapcity, is that these individuals are arguably more dangerous and in greater need of being contained for the very reasons they are found not responsible in the first place–they were’t in control of their actions when they committed the crime.

  628. Marilyn Shingoose, Manitoba R7A 0V8
    Its sick how the legal system treats criminals in some cases…MAY Vince get what he deserves.. since the justice system is not doing it!
    RIP Tim

  629. When someone takes a life, then they should be in jail for the rest of their natural life…not 7 or 10 years.
    Seems to me our Justice System is harder on money crimes than they are for crimes of MURDER….it is just so wrong.

  630. keep all people (men)or (women) locked up who hurt or murder other people people like vince lee shouldnt be given a chance to re-ofend again…leve them to rot in hell for being killer’s….

  631. Allowing this murderer back in public – even under controlled conditions – an unbelievable revictimization of Tim’s family and friends and the public at large. Our government has to be held accountable. Visit http://www.letsbringthemhome.ca for our comments on our website which is about holding the government accountable – in our case on another issue.

  632. To allow this man to attend public places under any condition is unbelievable. We have a family friend who was waiting in the parking lot while her father shopped and was terrified when a van pulled up and Li alighted in shackles and with two escorts. No one in a public place should have to deal with this trauma….let alone where CHILDREN are! This man is a murderer…if he is well on his meds in a controlled environment, good for him. He has no rights to enjoy any freedom whatsoever. Please see our post on http://www.letsbringthemhome.ca which holds the government accountable in another venue. They need to be accountable for this issue also. My thoughts are with you all.

  633. Our Canadian Laws are so week, especially when it comes to murder. This also refers to 1st and 2nd degree murder in Canada. The saying goes here in Canada that you can “get away with murder”…..literally! This brutal murder in front of innocent bystanders was so sick and so uncalled for. A young man’s life was taken for no reason other than this guy heard voices! Well, if he heard voices and responded to these voices, should he not have been in an institution already? Was he not seeing a psychiatrist prior to this senseless murder? Maybe it’s time doctor’s are also held accountable, especially in this case!? I say we change the laws for all murderers such as this creature! Change the laws so we never get to see him out on the streets ever again! What if he reoffends? If he reoffends again, who will be responsible, the voices in his head? I say the courts should be held responsible as well as the doctors who so freely gave him his freedom! Put him away for good or better yet, this case would have been a great case for capital punishment, just like all the other nut cases we have taking up space in our prisons! Canada and our justice system, if you want to reduce our expenses and taxes, begin using capital punishment for 1st and second degree murderers! If you don’t want to use capital punishment, then build more prisons with absolutely no amenities, like no tv, no entertainment, nothing. Make these prisons what they were intended for, jail time, not recreation centers behind bars!

    1. Very, very well said. I myself am going back to school for justice in hopes to get shit changed. Young offenders act included. Work from the inside and make a difference. I truly admire what you have said and 110% agree with you.

  634. Yorkton, Saskatchewan S3N 3B4

    Perhaps many offenders of this nature are not criminally responsible, but it is rare that no one is responsibile at all. It is irresponsible to NOT take your medications; it is irresponsible to NOT seek treatment when you have violent tendancies; it is irresponsible to release a mentally ill violent offender when it is possible they may at some time re-offend.

    What we need in Canada is a Charter where with each right comes a responsibility; you cannot have one without accepting the other without condition. Unfortunately there is no political will in this country to reopen our flawed Charter, so we get what we deserve.

    Reforming our laws to favour the rights of victims and the law-abiding ahead of criminals, judges and lawyers, and making responsibility mandatory, would give us a very powerful set of tools to make our society infinitely safer. Unfortunately, I don’t see Ottawa up to the task, as even the not-legally-responsible, and their families, vote, and their numbers appear to be increasing rapidly.

  635. It is becoming more apparent every day, with more and more examples that these so called experts are nothing more than quacks in Dr clothing. It is time we started charging these so called experts with criminal neglegance causing death each and every time they release on of these criminals back on the streets. AND THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!! Because there is no cure and there is no way to gaurentee they will stay on their meds thus safe to be on the streets, the only solution to protect the public is to make sure they never be released. (treated yes, but never to walk amoung us)

  636. I know a little of what Tim’s mom most being going thru. I lived thru the same horror and still do every year. My brother along with his room mate were killed in Fort St. John, B.C. eight years ago by a man who had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. This person had been in trouble with the law previously for violent behavior and assault but always let go. While not taking his med’s he took my brother from me and the rest of my family for ever. He was found responsible for the murders but was found not guilty by reason of insanity. And yes like Mr. Li he is granted a hearing every year to find out if he can be released back into society. I agree this person needs help but should I be paying for it with my tax dollars. And if so fine, but ensure me that he will remain were he can get this help. This person has been granted day passes but has failed to return on occasions in the passed. I hope that a bill will be passed that will help this person and ensure our safety.

  637. A person who has murdered before will find it easier to kill again. These people should not be released, not after 25 years, not ever.

  638. The first cop on the scene should have stopped the world and let it off. That would have saved us taxpayers a lot of money (this is, I think, the main reason for our revolving door policy in dealing with these AH’s). However there is no way this could or will happen, so it should be locked up forever.

  639. I am shocked at how quickly and without any thought to the victims or their families these people, who commit horrific murders of their children,other family members or total strangers are released back into society.It would seem that mental illness or more commonly, deciding to go off meds,is a justification for the most atrocious crimes. Once judged mentally incompetent,a period of psychiatric evaluation and treatment often as short as a year or so follows. Should the psychiatrists decide they,ve “got the patient back on the right track,off they go introduced back into society,with no consequence for past behaviour and no accountability placed on the “experts” if things don’t work out as planned.I think it is very reasonable to expect that these people be cared for humanely in an institutional setting and should not be placed back into society to possibly threaten other innocent victims.

  640. Just saw Tims mother on Sun News via Charles Adler and I had to come visit the site to give my support. I’m a Canadian citizen and I remember the horrific story of the murder. Now I have to keep the sick feeling inside my own stomach knowing that yet another no-good criminal is being released. Our world is so pathetic. How can we let these kinds of decisions go?? Who’s behind this BS? It’s an OUTRAGE! It’s NOT NORMAL! It should actually be a CRIME to let a CRIMINAL as sick at Li breathe another breath of our fresh air after such a sick crime. Way to embarrass our nation, those who deemed him “safe” for release. As if he’ll be supervised forever. What a farce. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES! YOU MAKE ME SICK! Li deserves the death penalty for sure.

  641. The common sense and wishes of the overwhelming majority of the Canadian people are not being listened to and acted upon. Releasing mentally ill people convicted of extremely gruesome murders back into the community for even a one minute day pass on the say so of a psychiatrist who says they “should” be safe “if” they stay on their medication is another example of the system (that we pay for) not safeguarding us.

  642. Completely agree-the laws need to change. If Vince Lee is so sick he should never be allowed back on the streets again-There is no guarantee that he will continue his med’s.They never do.Until the day he dies-Vince will always hear voices in his head telling him to do something that normal people would never do.I am disappointed completely with our justice system.

  643. It’s pretty obvious that there is a need for a re-evaluation of the current law. This needs attention now! Please address this problem.

  644. That sick murderer needs to be kept locked up in a mental facility for the rest of his life. Otherwise, if he is deemed no longer a threat due to meds, then he should be sent to prison forever to pay for his horrendous crime. My heart goes out to Tim’s family and friends.

  645. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5T 1J8

    People use the excuse of mental insanity too much… What ever happened to people being held accountable for their actions? Why can’t the Canadian legal system make it virtually impossible… I am sorry the excuse of “Mental Insanity” is a cop-out… I am sorry even as a kid, I knew wrong and right… The people who hide behind the “Mental Insanity” plea are using it as an excuse… The Canadian Justice System NEEDS TO SCRAP IT!

  646. a 1% or less chance of reoffending?! No one can predict with that much accuracy on anything. What happens if he goes off his meds? My feeling is that if they are found NCR when they commit an atrocious crime & then are treated & regain “responsibility” they should go back to court for a trial & get sentenced accordingly to Canadian laws which are much too lax. But this would be an enormous endeavour finding politicians that would support it & having it go to Supreme Court which only has a “1%” chance of occurring.

  647. Vince Li is an insane murderer – period. How can any sane criminal administration ever even THINK about releasing him out in public?? I don’t get it.. Mental illness be damned…the man is not capable of being completely trustworthy to take his medication….who else must die at his hand for the “authorities” to take this seriously??????
    I’m sure that if he had killed someone who was more “important” – Li’s sentence would be MUCH longer….I’m so discusted!!

  648. I do understand the reasoning behind mental insanity pleas,,,,sort of. Wouldn’t it be better served by Guilty by the Reason of Insanity. If someone was to commit a murder such as Tim’s (God rest his soul & bring his family peace)& got ‘cured’ apparently (supposedly), don’t you think that person (the one who committed murder) would understand why they are ‘doing time’? If they don’t understand, maybe they are not ‘cured’. Anybody in their right mind would understand that decapitating someone deserves quite a lot of punishment. So explain, if you can, why a murderer would think they can get away with murder if they’re in their right mind….they SHOULD be feeling guilt EVEN if they don’t remember it. I know if I found I killed someone while I was ‘out of it’, I would feel tremendous amounts of guilt & feel I deserved punishment.

  649. That Li is one sick Bastard. I hate him so much. I fuckin hate him. I don’t buy the mental illness shit. It’s just an excuse. He planned what he did that day by bringing that hunting knife and scissors with him. He knew he was about to murder someone. premeditated for 100%. He just didn’t know who his victim was going to be. Asshole, deport it back to it’s own country and let them deal with him. No, instead, they are treating him like he is the victim..sick, canada, sick. I’m so mbarrassed to be Canadian. Canada don’t care who they let into our country, they just care about the money they bring in. It’s so sad how this country is going to hell because the government don’t know how to run it. Why didn’t they deport him, instead of keeping him here, having taxpayers pay for his trial and his living costs. He came to this country, He has to abide by the laws. I don’t give a shit how mixed up he is. He knew full well what he was doing. He’s just an excuse for a human being. There are many people with real mental illness and they don’t go around hurting people, even when they are off their meds. He knew what he was doing and enjoyed it and then used the Canadain laws to protect him by saying. He’s schizophrenic. And, the psychiatrist, now there’s another big joke. They think they know everything. what a laugh. They are the ones that make the desision that gets him off in the first place by deeming him not mentally responsible. Maybe if he came after one of them one night while they were sleeping, they’d change their minds pretty quick and beg to have him locked up forever. Yes, Canada has to change in so many ways and please start with Tim’s Law. That innocent young man should not have had to go through that terrible end at the hands of that sadistic killer. I feel so much hurt in my heart for what he went through and how his family is surviving without him. Rip Timothy, you are in good hands now and safe from all the bad people. He’ll get his punishment.

    All the best to Tim’s family, may your good memories of Tim erase the bad memories of what happened. Hugs to you all.

  650. He should be punished the most painful way. I don’t believe any of this mental illness bull. Damn Vince Li. I prey he suffers.

  651. Aimee Stormes, vancouver, b.c. V5T 1P4.
    this maniac needs to rot in solitary confinement to be driven insane with the thoughts and visions of what he has done. death would be to easy for his actions.
    Tim’s family does not deserve to be re-victimized if this maniac is let out. i can’t understand how anyone part of the justice system could comprehend that this maniac could be “cured” and once again walk among us. i definitely wouldn’t want to be his neighbour or live in the same community and i don’t think i’m alone there. Tim’s family never got to say goodbye, the least that can be done is that they never have to hear about this sick fucker again.
    if he is let out he will not be safe, someone will hunt him down and give him what he deserves.
    R.I.P Tim.

  652. Many crimes are committed by people with mental health issues who at the time know exactly what they are doing and use the law to get away with what they have done. For them it is a get out of jail card literally. Such a person is Alex LaGlace who ia also Aboriginal with substance abuse issues and of course his choices in life are societies fault not his own so we all have to pay because he will be out on the street again soon as if somehow murdering the mother of two children was not his fault and we should feel sorry for him and not for his victim or her children and family members. Our legal system has become a safe haven for criminals and a weapon against the rest of us!

  653. Vince Li should be deported back to China and be dealt with there.Why should our tax dollars caretake this person,protect him,dam this could be a perfect gateway to kill someone and get away with it.If he comes from China,China wake up and come and get your property.I do know your leaders would not house this guy at such a high cost.They would use one bullet,no more talking.Canada’s leaders,wake up all of you,contact the Chinese leaders and send someone here to take him back,DEPORT HIM,This way Tim’s family may have some sense of being treated fairly by there own goverment.Until then keep him locked up and think about the real victoms,Tim’s family.PLEASE ACT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND CHANGE THIS LAW. Winnipeg,Manitoba…..R2K 1Z1

  654. It’s time for our judicial system to get with the current times. Mentally ill people( ones that have committed a violent crime) Should be put into a mental institution for the rest of their natural life. I had a dear friend get murdered. I personally knew Karl Alkier and his immediate family. I lost a dear friend and have seen the turmoil that the family have gone through. His killer got off a second degree murder charge on a insanity plea..

  655. There are no cures for many severe forms of mental illness; therefore, someone who has committed a crime and is found to be NCR is still a risk to others. Why should an illness be an allowable excuse to create victims. The same is the case for drug addicts and alcoholics; the excessive use of intoxicants so as to cause mental impairment should not be an excuse to avoid punishment. I feel sorry for people who are afflicted but I feel much worse for the people they hurt or kill. Moreover, I do not want to keep paying taxes to support these people in hospitals after they have committed extrememly violent crimes. There is no better reason for the death penalty than to rid society of those who are both extremely dangerous and incurable.

    1. If you don’t want to keep paying taxes for these people then more to another country…all everyone does is complain.

  656. I believe this guy shoul be in jail for the rest of his life like the rest of the criminals, this criminal laws has no sence you get a criminal record for driving impare and lose the licence the job and sometimes the familiy for concecuences of this act, but you get expensive treatments an no jail, no criminal record for killing and eating the victim, I am 100 % with Tim’s Family

      1. treatment which he should have received BEFORE he killed someone, he needs to continue to receive that treatment for the rest of his life behind locked doors.

  657. This is an absolute joke that this piece of garbage is getting some rights back. Keep that thing locked up or send him back to China. Change the law already.

    E5K 3N2
    NB

  658. A crime of this capacity while Tim was minding his own business is unimaginable..to allow him to be free in Canada regardless of mental illness or not would be a crime on our part and a slap in the face to the victims family!

  659. Please pass Tim’s Law as a way to ensure public safety against people who have proved to be a danger to society. It’s what people in society want and need and what those with the responsibility to ensure public safety are obligated to do for the people they represent.

  660. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I may have a mental illness, but I fight everyday for equality!! I believe EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, regardless of race, creed, disability, etc! That old saying should definately be in affect .. “YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME”!!

    ——-I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, a condition that stems from having a chemical imbalance in my brain. It is said to be genetic, yet no one knows how it starts. It is controllable if I am responsible (just like having diabetes).
    From total independence, my family and I adjusted to the constant monitoring that was required. It’s debilitating at the start because one is in denial! A stigma I burdened myself with. There is also the slow progress towards getting back to doing my usual activities. From doing anything I wanted whenever I wanted, I had to pause for a while until my body adjusted to the meds. That meant a pause on work, driving, going to church, enjoying my son, spending time with my family and spending time with my husband.
    Mental illness is a character defect– cause for social isolation, job discrimination, and shame. There were no posh clinics; only dark corridors locked away from the world. At 26yrs of age, I was ushered through padlocked gates. I met the faces of psychosis and schizophrenia; the lost souls haunted by delusions and dementia. Many, like me, were buried under despair so deep; we had pursued a death of our own design. You lowered your head as you walked those halls, fearful of seeing your pain in anothers eyes.
    After a couple of hospitalizations and MANY MANY MANY different medication trials, I eventually rejoined the world, unaware that the true nature of my illness remained hidden, and a long hazardous highway stretched out ahead of me. Burning to prove myself, I learned the power of God was the only way to truly set me free and I like a rose I began to bloom. I am now after 2 years on a sick leave of absence, back at work full time as a support worker and I give all the Glory to the Almighty God .. The Great Physician!!
    I have a role in controlling this illness. Every setback teaches me something … Behaviors, triggers, responses– and how to reach out. I no longer fear the social stigma or silent prejudice harbored by some. I must forgive those who stepped away along the ugly course of my illness. It takes stamina and understanding to endure my erratic and irrational behavior … to seek me out when I withdraw from life … to listen as I speed through a digressive one-way discourse … to painfully watch my self-abuse. To be the last barricade between me and death … Those who love me enough to ride it out are my blessing and my strength.
    I HAVE a disorder — IT DOES NOT DEFINE ME. I remain the loving, intelligent, independent and compassionate woman I have always been. This illness will not beat me! I WILL find joy in the middle ground!!!
    Ignorance about this illness persists, despite legislation and health benefits. Trust me: You cannot “just snap out of it.” You do not choose to lose your career, your friends or your life. You come to accept that your sanity, even your survival, will forever depend on a daily regimen of ever-changing medications.
    I take the medication prescribed to me. For over 2 years I lived in a fog while they tried to figure out my cocktail. I slept a lot one minute and couldn’t sleep at all the next. I lost 24 hours of my day. It was like the whole world was put on slow-mo and I couldn’t get anything done.
    Eventually, I came out of the fog as the whole, complete, medicated me. You should never feel medicated by the way. I don’t. I still have ups and downs but they are much less and far between. I still write – but I have a lot more positive things to say these days.
    Generally, my life as a medicated bipolar is good. The most important thing for me has been this.
    I am not {me} the bipolar.
    I am {me} the mother, the wife, the hard worker, and the caregiver.
    My illness doesn’t define me. No matter what others think of me, or people with bipolar like me – I am not a victim.
    I am not a stigma.
    I am just me.

    Ajax, ON, L1S 5Y8

      1. Sounds for real and very honest. Perhaps a lot of medication is required so as to control the illness and prevent the illness from taking over and causing her to kill someone

  661. Please don’t quit your efforts…we too have recently been made “fully aware” of what NCR is and the scum that murdered my father is as of today…June 7 2012 is free. Go figure

  662. Our justice system needs to hold people with mental illness accountable for their actions. To let this monster free puts the public in danger. What will happen the next time Li choses not to take his medication? When he hurts or kills again will there be a consequence for his actions? He needs to be locked up for life. He is a dangerous criminal and gave up his freedom when he decided not to take his meds and committed this horrendous crime.
    What a nightmare for Tim’s family to live with. I feel so sorry for them.

  663. To other parent’s who have lost a child, like myself and many other’s; we know that what was handed down as “sentencing” is not good enough; because it never is. We continue on our search to find Justice and yet it is no where to be found. When something of this nature occur’s and the Justice system fails Canadians again; it makes us wonder what we are fighting for. This man whether mentally ill, or normal; should be in a mental institution; where he can get the proper treatment for his condition. A normal person would get life in prison; just the thought that his brain made him cambolize another human is sick. I think he watched to many series of The Walking Dead and became one himself. This is an act of cruelty, grossness, and dispicable way to end the son, father, husbands life. Once again it is the family who suffers. So sorry for you’re terrible loss.

  664. AB.
    T0M 1R0

    The justice system needs to start doing more to protect the innocent instead of the criminals. What about OUR rights.

  665. Our justice system needs to start protecting the innocent instead if the criminals.

  666. I am so tired of people not being held accountable for their criminal behavior. How many more people have to be killed before something is done to ensure OUR safety and OUR rights.

  667. Absolutely under no circumstances should he be allowed out of the mental health faculity. I believe that his right to any freedom should be extinguished.

    1. I definitely want Vince Li to remain locked up. He should not be allowed freedom. I find this very disturbing that he can walk the streets after what he has done to another human being.

    1. How do you know he will kill again? Do you have psychic visions? It’s more likely that you will end up posting a stupid comment on a forum, oops too late you already did that.

  668. So sorry for Tim’s family , no justice being done!
    He is totally responsible for his actions and should be put in JAIL!
    NEVER be aloud to walk off grounds escorted, he should be in a fenced area.
    The Dr. should offer Lee a weekend pass to stay with him and his family. Look at all of us that live in Selkirk our fears of this man or should i say animal out in the wild!

  669. When you knowingly go off medication that is meant to keep you mentally sound, then there is intent and you should be accountable for your actions. When will the victims finally be protected instead of the criminals?

  670. SK, S7L 6S7

    Canada’s laws really need to be changed. Mental illness, if treated, can create beautiful people, and if a person, knowingly goes off of their medication and commits a crime, they need to be sentenced as a mentally sane person…. but sadly, it isnt this way, so somehow, people like Vincent Li needs to be monitored for the rest of his life, as he can decide at any moment to stop taking his medication, then another innocent life, or several more, will be at risk. Why is it the normal folks, even the ones with mental disabilities that chose to stay medicated, get to be held prisoners to the others that have proven violent? Canada’s laws need to change.

  671. Vincent LI will one day walk the streets as a free man, this man should never see freedom again, no one can assure us that he won’t commit a crime again

  672. Three years ago on cold March night (12:30 a.m.) while we were asleep, someone tried to break into our rural acreage home. The police arrested him and told us that night to press charges. The following day the police called and said if we pressed charges they would be stayed as the man was mentally ill. We learned that the man was a paranoid schizophrenic who went off his medication and walked away from his room in a Brandon hotel where he lived, and apparently this was not the first time he wandered away. We also agree with Carol de Delley that the mental health system fails terribly when it comes to monitoring the mentally ill to ensure they continue to take their medication to keep them safe as well as the public. This man walked 8 kilometers that night to our house so he certainly was not being monitored. We believe someone like Vince Li should be kept in a locked environment as there is no assurance that he will continue to remain on his medication.

  673. There is an article in our local paper about the two women murdered in Atlanta. Apparently it was a 44 year old woman in custody for the killings. Her mother says she is suffering from schizophrenia and was off her medication at the time of the killings. What’s to say once Li is released he will continue his medication on his own? If he doesn’t there is every likely hood he’ll hear those same voices and commit another murder. Keep him locked up and medicated!!

  674. I am sick of people using mental ilness as an excuse to get away with vicious crimes. Most people with mental ilness would never hurt anyone. It seems to me Vincent Li is pulling a fast one on the Doctor who is treating him. He needs to stay where he is. How can any Doctor say he will never do the same again? If that Doctor trusts him, let him take him home with him and keep him there.

  675. One of the most hideous, vile crimes I have ever heard about – it still makes me sick to my stomach to this day – the absolute nerve of the authorities to allow this piece of garbage to be let out of custody – to walk our streets – is beyond belief!…let this piece of filth reside in a mental institution and when he is ready place him in a penetentury for THE REST OF HIS LIFE!…Chris Summerville shoud share the same cell with Vince Li….letting this human rot OUT is nothing short of shameful and Summerville should be absolutely ashamed.

  676. I support this 100%. I find it hard to believe that this man can ever see the light of day again.

    My comment is if he has progressed so far with his medication why not now try him for murder if he is saine enough to go for a walk. @!!!!!

    I am truly shocked and disgusted by this.!! what kind of a message is this sending.

  677. I say these people should NEVER be let out into society! It is criminal that families must put up with and endure annual hearings related to these cases. And the fact these very sick people don’t have a criminal record is beyond contempt to the rest of the public. I don’t sign petitions often, but you have my name on this one! Please keep up the fight. I hope the government is listening. The real sickness is in our (non)justice system.

  678. I agree with the petition. This is a really scary situation. Mr. Li should never be let out. Never once, in all his comments, does he express horror for what he has done – only that he is sorry. No one feels safe with the thought that he will be let out one day. Free to not take his medication and do this again.

    Winnipeg, Manitoba

  679. This bastard should have never slipped through any legal or illegal loophole regardless of laws. He should have never been granted any medical cover up or protective custody. They should have let old school system take care of him. He is a person possible but probably raised amongst such violent deaths and thinks nothing of doing it again.

  680. North York, ON

    Vincent Li has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic. According to his doctors, he is responding well. I believe he can only maintain being in his current state IN that facility. For his safety and the safety of others in the community, PLEASE keep him there!!!
    In this circumstance, even leaving the grounds on supervised walks, I believe, is a threat to society.

    Furthermore, there is NO guarantee that he will continue taking his medication once outside of this ’round the clock care’ so I fear other(s) will suffer as horrifying and brutally violent a death as Tim McLean.
    Please keep Vincent Li locked up for everyone’s safety, including his own.

  681. He should not free too walk around. My heart goes out to his family and the other dramatized victims and the bus driver that have to live with the memory of this vicious act.

  682. I believe it is absolutely obserd that there is not already a minimum period to be served under such circumstances in place. Mental illness is more serious than most give credit for. A persons mental state is the entirety of their being; with an unstable mental-state (of the nature) how on earth could you deem someone fit to be with the public? This man decapitated a fellow bus passanger which he did not know, and then had a bite to eat…I dont believe they have “rehab” for such a thing as this.. Medication, monitorization, and accompanied/supervised limited access is not going to cut it. These people have a small chance of recovery and only in perfect conditions, as soon as the bars, straps, medication and supervision are gone and the outside world is at their figertips there is nothing stopping them from thier disease, because thats what mental illness is a disease; which cannot be treated for a period of time and “go away” it is there always, its just the control in which you are able to maintain. There seems to be NO CONTROL left in him, and I wouldnt say Im willing to chance my life or anyone elses at the notion that they “have recovered”. I am in full support of this petition.

  683. Vincent Li is a monster of epic proportion! I am in full support of the death penalty. Would you want Vincent Li free to live and propagate another cannibalistic murderer?

  684. my sympathy is with tim’s family. i believe that vincent li should now stand trial for what he did… he now says he knows what he did was wrong, so now face the system again.. and he should be held behind high fences for the rest of his life…. i have yet not figured out how the system says that 25 yrs is life… not so… life is life and it is alot longer than 25 years.

    1. I agree I think if you take a life you should lose your freedom for the rest of your life, and just a note THERE IS NO FENCE AROUND THE FACILITY HOUSING VINCE LI.

  685. Vincent Lee committed a very violent murder. I will never forget how sick I felt when I heard about this horrific murder. This guy should never,under any circumstances walk free again. Our JUSTICE SYSTEM is warped and twisted, justice is about his punishment for his crime, not about any special rights this guy has because he is skitso. The fact that he was sick enough to commit this murder, means he should never be trusted again. Any doctor who says this guy will continue to take his medication is full of it.
    Can’t just take a pill and expect it to make up for the crime. Get real !!!

  686. This person should never be allowed to live freely outside the confines of the institution in which he now resides.

    This seems to be a case of the “system” once more dropping the ball when he was first diagnosed.

    There is something wrong with the idea that he should be slowly released back into society. He is obviously a danger to anyone he may encounter that he decides is an “alien” or ?????

    It is well doumented that a person with schizophrenia who is left to his/her own devices and expected to take their own meds will likely not do so. The effects of such medications are known to be unpleasant at the very least.

    For Tim McLean’s mother I say that I cannot imagine your pain. I hope that you contiue to be strong and do what you can to stop this madness.

    As for Vincent Li, he should never see the light of day again.

  687. I would like to see our tax money go to help the mental health of the victims families and friends first and foremost in cases such as this. As well as see the end of help for any murderers regardless of circumstance or excuse. I believe this man should not have freedom in society without major restrictions to his abilities of inflicting any sort of injury on someone else. Perhaps society would be better off without his existence at all, however it is not for me to decide, but let us not waste too much effort and resources towards someone who has committed an act of this severity. I can hardly conceive a more appropriate need for capital punishment, but at LEAST he should be imprisoned until he fully accepts responsibility and then serves his time for his actions.

  688. Lisa Emanuele Bennett, Ontario, L4H2X7
    when u commit a crime to this degree and rights should be taken away. and to have someone like him able to do things some free ppl can’t is absurd. if he’s fine to go out he’s fine to go behind bars for the rest of his life. he not only affected the ppl who witnessed it, but the victim and all families to these victims. its about time canada stops being so “understanding and complient” with criminals.

  689. It seems like most people have forgotten the fact that it is the government’s responsibility to protect it’s citizens and to execute justice. What about the victim’s rights? Vincent Li himself said “Please kill me” the day after this hideous crime. Even he knew he deserved to die for what he did. Bring back capital punishment!

  690. Richmond Hill, ON L4C2T6

    I was shocked and disgusted when I heard of this news. This is unacceptable. We must change these laws. Li did the crime, he should suffer the consequences. It’s very simple. You break the law or harm someone, you should pay the price. Very simple.

  691. Criminally insane and now cured! How amazing! Guess he needs to be moved to a prison now to finish his time! Murder is murder LIFE SENTENCE NO PAROLE!!!!!!

    1. I agree, if he’s “fixed” then put him in prison where he belongs. In a cold, damp lonely cell with bread and water. He didn’t just murder Tim, he messed up all those passengers too!! Li needs to pay for what he did. End of story.

      1. and the way i see it don’t put him in a cell like bernardo or that other useless twit…but in the community of prisoners…justice will be served behind bars hopefully.

  692. I am so tired of people comparing this crime to a disease such as cancer. My cancer will not murder someone else. It will not take away another person’s right to live. Once you take away someone else’s right, you should no longer have any rights.

  693. Some crimes are so heinous that the perpetrators should never be
    allowed back into society. The brutal killing of Tim McLean
    is such a crime, and Vince Li should be treated humanely but kept
    in a mental institution for the rest of his life.

  694. This guy is a criminal and deserves to be treated like one. We need the death penalty for cases like this, there is no excuse and this science of psychology is not an exact science. Let these people take the likes of him home to live with their family and see how far it goes. Lock his up and throw away the key for now.

  695. This guy is a criminal and deserves no freedom. He needs to kept in custody to be sure he takes his medication as no one is sure he will if he is granted freedom. I believe we need the death penalty for cases like this because all these psychologists can not guarantee he will not re offend and then it is some one else who pays, let them home to with their wife and children. Our so called justice system is a sad joke and the joke on the law abiding citizens Abbotsford BC

  696. This guy is a criminal and should never be released. Keep him in a mental institution. No other family should ever have to go through this pain. I fully support the law

  697. Alice Kelly, Ottawa, ON K2E 6J5
    Unless and until schizophrenics like Vincent Li can be forced to take their medication they should be kept in an institution for the protection of society with no unescorted passes.

  698. now that he’s been treated, he should be in jail doing the time, he commited murder,no way u look at it murder is murder…no way he should be released into the public…

  699. I fully support Tims law. Society needs to be protected from dangerous people regardless of what causes these people to be dangerous. People like Vincent Li and Raymond Irwin need to be kept in custody for life.

  700. Vincent Li committed murder, be it as a result of mental illness. It could never be garanteed that he would never commit another horrific crime like this in the future if he is ever given any freedom. Can we be assured of the safety of the public. The answer is no. He must be keep locked up for all our safety.

  701. I just watched the interview with Charles Adler and it makes me sick to know the leniency of the “Canadian System” We should spend $4oo,000 a year on victims and families and 4 pennies on a bullet for animals.

    I am not a violent person, but this is not Justice regardless of the excuses that these creeps use under direction of high profile Defence Lawyers also paid for by Taxpayers.

    Bring back the death penalty and maybe only then can justice be served for some families.

    We are too nice to Criminals and it is damm time oue system protected us and not so much the criminals.

  702. This guy is a criminal and should ever be released. Keep him in a mental institution. No other family should ever have to go through this pain. I fully support the law

    Wroxeter. Ontario

    1. bear in mind that a mental institution is a hospital – ill-equipped to deal with prisoners and to protect patients who are there for treatment and have done no wrong. Mr. Li and others like him should go to prison.

  703. when a person takes a life he or she should be punished and put away for their crimes. these days all they have to do is use the insane story that they were sick while doing the crime. sick sick sick . i hope people sign the petition to change this ridiculous law.

  704. I support this law. Tim paid the price with his life. His mother is and always will pay the price of losing her son. Why should this man be free to live his life when Tim will never be able to live his life. It’s very easy to say your sorry after the fact. Everyone has to pay for their actions. Please do not set this man free.

  705. My heart goes out to the families of victims of such crimes. While I do not want to see people such as Vince Li put in jail, they should also not be released from secure facilities, for the protection of society. These people are not “cured”, and their incarceration must reflect this.

  706. This is yet another shining example of how our justice system isnt a justice system anymore, but is now simply a legal system.

  707. If Mr. Li is feeling so much better then let him stand trial for the HENIOUS crime that he committed. No amount of medication will bring back Tim McLean! Mr. Li must be held accountable and punished.

    To his Doctors…would you take Vince home and let him spend a half hour with your family?? I think not! Do NOT inflict him on our families!

    My prayers go out to Tim’s family at this time

  708. He should get the treatment he needs and stay in prison for life.The young man he killed is gone for good,his family will never see him again.Li is like any other murderer,he will reoffend because he already did.If he gets freedoms and certain priledges then the Barnados and other will be asking for the same treatment.I think he should be reminded of what he did,look at the picture of the life he took in such a grotesque way,so he remembers why he is where he is.He does not get any sympathy from the people on the outside.

  709. I support Tim’s Law. Society cannot – and must not – trust that Vince Li will commit to taking his medications responsibly forever after. No one can guarantee he will not re-offend and to let him walk free amongst society is a grave injustice to the family and friends of Tim McLean and the citizens of Canada. It is reprehensible to think that Canadian law has put such a shallow disregard on the life of Tim McLean by allowing this monster to walk free. Revoke Li’s citizenship and send him back to his homeland. The Canadian taxpayer should not be responsible for his treatment now or in the future. Go away Vince Li, you’re not welcome in our towns or our cities. Go back to China, you’re not welcome in Canada anymore.

  710. There is no excuse for murder and someone who does a vicious act like the one Vince Li did should never be allowed the opportunity to repeat offend.
    If he is set free, the people who set him free should be held accountable for his actions.

  711. I think that anyone who committs a violent act that results in the death of someone else should forfeit their freedom for the rest of their life, either in prison lockup or locked up in a mental institution, if they claim mental disability. I feel Li should be kept locked up because he knowingly quit the medication that kept him from vilence once and, if set free, could do so again.

  712. He will do it again, once he gets out of treatment he’ll stop taking his medication. Now that he is on meds, I agree with others, he should do the time for the crime. He should be locked up and never let out!

  713. I am glad Mr Li is getting treatment and able to live somewhat normally but he still has a crime to pay for. Murder is murder. If he is well enough for a stroll around town then perhaps it is time to move him to an alternate facility to serve out the remainder of a full murder sentence.

  714. what should happen to this bastard: that he needs to be locked up that is for sure, but he should rather be eliminated from this world. he does not deserve to be here, nor does he deserve this pampering. this kind of mental illness will never be treatable, not in a million years. what is done to him ONLY COSTS THE TAXPAYERS. what the hell is wrong with this world. as for the doctors, that he is mentally stable, or whatever expressions they use, the doctors belong into the mental clinic as well. are they all nuts or what. I have to stop here, because I would not be using nice vocabulary anymore. It’s a disgust, a disgrace to the rest of the human human beings.besides he was declared not responsible for his crime. well, well, well……………now he fully realizes what he has done………..NOW IS THE TIME THAT HE PAYS FOR HIS CRIME and that he needs to rott in prison or maybe justice would be done there.

  715. In my opinion, Mr Li should NEVER be allowed ANY FREEDOM’S whatsoever! This man not only took a man’s life the fashion in which he did it,the media attention it got,those whom had NO CHOICE to bare witness(post traumatic stress disorder),Tim’s family that will never know the embrace of their son again,and in the pure SAFETY of the PUBLIC AT LARGE should not be granted ANY FREEDOMS WHATSOEVER!What are we saying about MURDER&MENTAL ILLNESS if we don’t?

  716. I think the law should be tougher like they were back in the day. Lock him up and keep him there with no chance of parole. Bread and water, no entertainment, 1 hour of outside and nothing else. Jail is a resort that costs nothing to the people staying there. It is pure B.S.

  717. This man should not be allowed to be free anywhere at anytime. So he is set free, in no time at all he feels great. so he says I do not need to take more meds. I am fine.It would be the same story all over again, another horrific incident and never ending suffering for the recipient’s of his act that he committed. It is a never ending sorrow for the families to which this is done. I feel terrible for Tim’s family and their suffering and loss. They can never let this man go free ,never ever.Keep him in lockup and medicated with supervision.This is the only way that society is free from another horrible thing happening by his hand.

  718. If our government wants to allow individuals like this walk the streets of a town or city, why not send him to their home town, or better yet send him back to where he is from and see what reaction his home country would have if he was to walk their streets. Our justice system is a joke and its time they start listening.

  719. Carlyle, Sk

    I have done hours of research on Tim’s story, and even after writing an article for my Newspaper about it, can not see how any sane person would let Li out of the hospital. Even with a 5% risk of him reoffending, it isn’t worth it.

  720. Charlotte
    Southampton, UK
    Po15 7le

    This man should never be allowed out, even as he’s found not criminally responsible he is still a danger to everyone around him.

  721. Laws are written documents that are written by a group of individuals and therefore subject to review for relevance from time to time as any written word by people can attribute to human error. It was human error to not include a minimum penalty for people not found criminally responsible.

    Carol de Delley has essentially been sentenced to a lifetime of grief and horror while Vince Li could potentially be free from the facility he is residing at within another five years.

    Many laws must be in review including immigration. It shouldn’t be that once you become a citizen that you can never have citizenship revoked. It should be conditional. Of those conditions the violation of another citizen should deem citizenship void and the perpetrator should be sent back to their country of origin.

    As it stands the justice system is operating out a very old textbook of standards and amendments must be made to provide families with justice.

    As a surviving victim of crime I feel that the perpetrator who assaulted me was let off way too easy and got help for free for his anger management while worker comp only paid for five therapy sessions for me and then I was told I would have to pay for further therapy myself.

    Life sentences should be raised from 25 years to at least a minimum of 50 years if not more. A life sentence should be just that, for the life of the prisoner. If the prisoner lives 95 years, keep him/her there that long.

  722. I support this law. This man needs to be kept far so that another innocent person doesn’t become a victim. My thought and prayers go out to Tim’s family.

  723. I support this law to keep dangerous people mentally ill or not away from others and ensure that they take their medication to keep them and others safe.

  724. I understand that there are mentally ill but most like 90% do not act in a violent demented way and those who do need to be monitored to ensure that they take their medication and are safe from themselves and others.

  725. This rushed releasing of this dangerous man makes no sense, not even
    5 years for taking a life of a innnocent young man ?
    Now he realizes his wrong he should be kept in some sort of captivity to
    consider in depth what atrocity he has done,not let him
    on the streets to possibly murder again.
    He should be considered for deportion to his originsal country of china
    as well, let him walk the streets there.

  726. I support this law. Our current legislation is a joke. No one is protecting the innocent. What kind of country is more concerned with the rights of criminals then victimes and families?

    Vince Li doesn’t pose a threat to society anymore?!! How many times have we heard that? If something happens, once he’s let out, we’ll get the standard speech “Oh well he slipped through the cracks” Holes more like it! The doctors can’t guarantee 100% he will never comit a violent act again. He should NEVER be free.

    I also feel that he should be stripped of his Canadian citizenship and sent back to China.

  727. Review Board is a farce. Since when did an MD degree confer the ability to predict future behaviour?

  728. British Columbia
    V8P 2H5

    Ship him back to his native country.
    Why should we pay to keep him in jail where he belongs.
    So, if you kill someone, be crazy and you can get away with it????

  729. It is a disease and cannot be cured, only controlled with medication. When they decide they are well, they stop taking their med’s, and are capable of anything. I have seen a 100 Lb woman off her med’s and had to be taken down by 4 large police officers as the strength she possessed was phenomenal.
    Keep him in a mental health facility where he can be monitored and stay to get the help he needs,but don’t release him back into the public. It could be your child that is in the wrong place at the wrong time next! He needs help, but free in society is not the place for him. My heart goes out to the family and friends of Tim.

  730. I believe that any is insane by the very nature of the act. To kill, especially without provocation, needs to be punished. I think that although jails are not a deterrent, who is to say that because he promises to keep on his meds, he will? who will be monitoring and for how long?
    Send a criminal to jail. Period. No day pass for beheading for goodness sake, what kind of justice system lets a murderer out on a daypass, and another in jail for years on much lighter crimes. It’s all out of proportion and disheartening to me. Very sad, and I am very sorry for his family and friends. My heart goes out to them and the trauma suffered by those on the bus who had to witness such violence.
    I think it’s just the voice of hate, not someone telling him to do something evil. it seems not only do the mentally ill not have to take responsibility for their urges, but the system lets them off too. It’s all you buddy, you and only you. Not God, not Satan, you and your sick choices.

  731. It is unacceptable that a criminal can be released to pick up his life where he left off after committing such a heinous crime. Stop protecting the criminals and start protecting the innocent and their families!

  732. Keep him locked away so he cannot do this again to another family. My sympathy to the McLean family.

  733. I support this law. This man should not be free to commit another crime like this again. I cannot begin to understand the pain the McLean family are living with. My sympathy goes out to them.

    Brooklin, Ont.

  734. rick
    Edmonton,ab
    t6l5c9

    he already got out too early once and horribly murdered a young man that did nothing to him. him and all others have to start taking responsibility for their actions and if they can’t then we as a city, province,country have to do it for them. I’m sure a lot of murderers are sorry after for what they have done but that doesn’t mean we should let them go without them paying for it by being in jail. the same should be true for everybody else if he can’t go to jail then he should get the same sentence but in a mental hospital. that at least would be justice and fair. if we do not start laying down the law in this country more and more people will die needlessly.

  735. I am the victim of a man with delusional paranoid schizophrenia, he is now my exhusband. It is extremely difficult to find words that can describe the fear I lived with daily, a fear I still live with, not only for myself but for my two sons as well. My ex has been sentenced 3 times & court ordered to a mental health facility for treatment, and the review board released him every time with little to no restrictions. After the divorce was finalized, my ex stopped his meds. I have had to move far away, leave my children and family because he was determined to kill me. The laws in this country need to be reviewed and most definately need to be changed when it comes to the mentally ill, not only for the safety of the public but for their safety as well. Unfortunately, it is the nature of this disease that the individual feels fine, they believe that they no longer need their medication so they stop taking it. I extend my heartfelt condolences to the McLean family and I fully support this petition because the mentally ill need constant supervision to ensure they are taking their medications.

  736. What I think and what I can say openly are two different things, but I certainly do not agree with this man running around free. He should suffer the same fait as Tim.

  737. Whether someone has a mental illness or not, A CRIME IS STILL A CRIME,
    and Li should not be allowed the right and privillage of walking around any community, big or small, he should have to walk around inside the gates of the mental institution like any other criminal who has to walk inside prison gates. He has clearly shown that he is not able to be free to live a normal life and go whereever he pleases, he should no longer be able to be free to re-offend. Medicated or not, this person should never ever ever be set free. This is not a mentally ill person who might swear or scream or annoy people, this is a mentally ill person who has murdered and could very well do it again. I really do not understand why so many people jumped on the bandwagon to defend this person because he has a mental illness, this is simular to people who defended O.J. Simpson just because he is a black person and black people have suffered from racism, O.J. is a murderer and because of that should have also been locked up and never ever released back into the public, O.J. does not have a mental illness but is a murderer and that is why he should have been locked up from day one. Obviously the “justice” system is failing all of us and putting us all in danger and to live in fear by allowing this man to walk around a community and if he is ever set free it will cause so much fear and less quality of life . Li clearly stated in the Free Press article this week that he plans to change his name if he is ever released back into the public. Why are child sex offenders names and locations released to the public and not certain criminals like Li and Karla Homolka????? This is not my Canada .

  738. Even though he was found not criminally responsible because of his illness, he is still a CRIMINAL. He brutally murdered an innocent person and he should be put in prison for life!!!!

    Ontario

  739. I am a mother of three and I know I will feel a lot safer for my children and Canadians as a whole if Vince Li never walks free again. Why does the RCMP not just grow a set of balls and charge this man. Purportedly if he is getting better, why not charge him with murder. He admitted to buying a knife to go on that horrible greyhound journey. Sounds like premeditation to me. I am sickened with the Justice system. A young man’s life horribly taken is fodder for some psychologists to make a name for themself and try to reform Li. Save the money, give Li a bullet.

  740. I live in Courtenay B.C. and there is No way this man should be released, remember he had already been diagnosed and was not taking his pills who is to say this will not happen again, what a joke – paying someone to accompany him on Day trips – what about the people who witnessed what he did, I am sure they need some help forgetting and what about McLeans family, it is not unkind to keep people like Vince locked away and looked after it is protection of the rest of us. Everyone should write to the Justice Minister and insist on this man being kept in lockup.

  741. It is absolutely DISGUSTING that Li is ever allowed to see the light of day!!!!! Our justice system allows criminals to have too many rights once a crime has been committed. Frustrating none the less, I totally support this petition.

  742. I am ashamed of my countries “justice” system. It is more concerned with keeping criminals happy and full of rights then justice for the victims or keeping the public safe. This man poses a great threat to the public. There is no guarantee that he will continue taking his medication, or that he will not kill again. Any risk to reoffend like this is too high. He needs to be locked away for the rest of his life.

  743. Mr. Li should be kept behind bars.
    He admitted he in the interview he doesn’t think he will do it again to me that is enough of a risk.
    Also if god was telling you to kill the alien why would you eat him?

  744. Ontario, L6H 1R7
    Mentally ill should remain in Mental Institution. If he is healthy enough to be released, he should stand the trial and be charged for murder.

  745. I have never forgotten the senseless, tragic loss of this innocent young man. I support Tim’s Law wholeheartedly and wish his family strength and support while they continue to work for change. God bless.

  746. Li = an extremely dangerous individual.
    KEEP HIM LOCKED AWAY UNTIL HE IS DEAD ! Please, Mr. Nicholsen – change the law.
    In Europe killers like that will NEVER leave the mental institution.
    The criminally insane are kept inside until they die and this in countries that do not even have life sentences for the other killers.
    Due to insanity, they are unpredictable. They are not ‘cured’ just because they take pills. Pills may cover the symptoms, but do not cure them.

    Family Ostertag
    Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

  747. The MONSTER Li MUST stay behind bars until he is dead.
    He will do it again! Just read his contrived interview with ‘dr.’ liberman.
    He has studied every word.
    We know this barbarian from Edmonton. We always thought that he was nuts, but did not think of course that he would do something so cruesome as he did.
    We were wondering how he was admitted to Canada in the firsdt place.

  748. Something is seriously wrong in this country….it’s time that our Canadian ‘Justice’ system stands up for the rights of victims and their families! My heart goes out to Tim Mclean’s family.I fully support this petition.

  749. I understand that people are sick, hence, they need help. Vincent Li should not be released. He is dangerous, there is no guarantee that he will not repeat the same act or commit a worse crime.

    1. In the recent case of the two Canadian women that were killed in NJ, the accuser suffered from schizophrenia too.

  750. Please do the right thing and don’t allow this severely disturbed and potentially dangerous individual back into our society. Remember, your son or daughter could be the next Tim. Help protect innocent lives.

    Winnipeg, R3P 1K9

  751. We had a murder in Halifax recently, where a psychiatric patient, described as suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, killed a community activist. He was on a 1 hour unsupervised absence and failed to return. There’s a distinct possibility this could happen in Selkirk. Glad I don’t live there anymore!

    B3P 2J8 Nova Scotia

  752. This monster has to be sent back to China !!! why should Canadians pay for this monster to stay here …I support Tim’s Law !!!

  753. Ontario,N3R1M4

    My heart aches for Tim’s family. My family also suffered a terrible loss at the hands of a murderer deemed “unfit for trial”. He is now walking the streets. Where is the justice for the victems? The system needs to change>

  754. First and most of all My deepest condolences to Tim Mclean’s family Words can not describe the horror that man caused your family. With out a doudt in my mined, whether your sick or not it is unspeakable and he must pay for his actions. “DO NOT LET THIS MONSTER OUT “he will do it again. Pills he will forgetto take.
    Edmonton,t6c oj1

  755. Under no circumstances should this individual be released into the public even if he is being supervised at all times. Just because he was determined to be mentally unfit at the time doesn’t give him the right to walk free from what he did. If he is released into the public, then the judge and lawyers who allowed this should be named and should take 100% responsibility if he commits another crime.

    Ontario

    L6A 4J4

  756. As a mental health worker I know how very committed care-givers are to safety of patients, family members, and the community at large. However, I am also painfully aware of the underfunding, the chronic understaffing issues, and with that the reality of fatigue and simple human error as potential pre-conditions for the last thing we all want. ONTARIO K0A 1W0

  757. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. The fact that the guilty party was released from an institution prior to this horrendous murder frightens me and should frighten everyone – not to mention his determination to change his name and maybe drop off our radar screen. He may be acting now in order to get out, stop taking the meds, and hear the voice of god again. We have no way of knowing what he might do – but we certainly know what he did. We have a right to expect our government to protect us. If we cannot be protected from those who have not acted on their murderous impulses as of yet, for all that is Holy and Right why won’t they protect us from those who have?!

  758. The government of Canada really needs to do something to improve the justice system so it doesn’t have to be a joke and embarrassment to all of us Canadians. For starters review this insanity plea………whereas it should matter if people pysically committ a heinous criminal act, take a life, whether they are in their right mind or not. They still should pay the consequences. When we get sick, we are responsible to help ourselves, our country has free health care and so many help and support systems. Same goes for all the ppl that choose to drink and drive and kill someone, they chose to drink and drive. Our laws and sentences in our country need to be majorly reviewed with input from Canadians!

  759. I fully support this petition, I feel its time that justice take a new stand on this topic. I do not want to live in fear any longer. For my family and fellow citizens of Canada we need to be protected by the Justice system in our country so this does not happen to anyone again. This not only affected the families involved it affected our country. I personally feel that Mr. Li does not belong in the public; he is severally ill and a threat to society.

    My deepest condolences to Tim Mclean’s Family.

    Jana Beatty.

  760. Working with those who suffer from mental illness, I have had the opportunity to learn about them and understand them, but it is hard to argue with Tim’s Law. I believe in it and will gladly sign the petition.

  761. He is taking his medication while supervised. What happens when he isn’t supervised? He is a murderer.

  762. Sending healing, peace, and love to Tim’s mother and family throughout this time. I know that you will have the strength to do all that you must. It is the very worst thing in life to lose a child, and to have to lose your son this way is profoundly devastating. I fully support your efforts in every way.

  763. Kingston, Ontario K7K 7A1

    I feel very strongly for this law and I hope it gets passed…………. My heartfelt Condolences go out to the McLean Family………… This law needs to be passed…………………

  764. I am so sorry and disgusted that this happened. It’s the government’s job to protect it’s law-abiding citizens, not it’s madmen and monsters.

  765. Vincent Li is a danger to innocent people in society. Tim McLean did nothing to provoke this savage attack. Vincent Li should be kept away from society. My condolences to the McLean family.

  766. Ontario
    L9Z 2N7

    In these cases, they should atleast serve the same term as murder in an institution, in this case ATLEAST 20 years.

  767. The only way to make sure Li never kills again is to keep him under constant supervision….locked up away from the rest of society.

    My heartfelt sympathy goes out to Tim McLean’s family.

    Maple, ON
    L6A 4J4

  768. If they are found not responsible due to a mental defect….THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THEM!!…Why can those in control not see this simple fact. If there is something wrong with them then whether responsibnle or not they should not be allowed to rejoin society…at any point. We have been a PC nation for far too long…If you commit a crime you should pay the penalty..Bottom line…I agree with Robert B. The first question asked of someone in a position to release an offender such as this should be “can he live in your basement for the next year”…”Will you be responsible for them because clearly they cannot”.

  769. If Li gets out and kills again what then? Sorry, but the RCMP should have killed him! What a waste of tax payers money!

  770. The Pas, MB
    R9A 1S9

    This is just sickening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He Needs to serve a proper sentence for the hainous crime he committed!!!!

  771. I think there should be more consequences for Mr. Li for the crime he committed. The fact that he was found not responsible due to mental illness does not mean he should be given a free pass back into society. What happens when he is not supervised and he doesn’t take his medication. Are we willing to chance that this will not happen again. Another horrifying act for another family to endure. HE SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED.

  772. what will happen if he forgets to take his medication again? it isn’t worth the risk!! keep him in prison if not for the next victims then for the familys that have already lost.

  773. If the Doctors and judges want to let him out, he should live at their houses and make sure he takes his medication. The public safety should come first, not second or third as it is now.

  774. this guy need to be hung for what he did.whos to say he will take his meds.are you going to be around him 24/7 to make sure he take s them doctors.i agree with tims law and support it

    1. i agree i support tims law.this guy is going to get out only to kill someone else,dont let him out

  775. Manitoba R9A 1S2

    So when he gets released, who will guarantee that he takes these meds he so obviously needs? 1% risk of him reoffending? 1% of what, a million? That’s a lot of lives at risk.

  776. Why is it always the criminal that gets the best treatment? An a innocent has to prove that they didnt comment any crime? Doesnt it say innocent until proven guilty? Did Li not commit a crime and in front of a bus load of ppl? Yes I understand that the plea to Mental illness is being used…but just like children that see how to get out of trouble so will other ppl try the same thing. What may I ask has been done for the others on the bus? Have they been taken care of in the same manner as Li with free treatment and drugs? Did anyone lose wages over this horrific scene? Has everyone been or still being compensated? Therapy costs big money…. Why is it that Li gets so many privilegs when other criminals dont? He shouldnt be allowed out with the general public. He is well enough to walk around outside than he should be put in a real jail to serve out his time. All ppl want is to see justice being served…Tim will never get to have a say that is why I think the family,friends,and the general public has been having a say. It was a violent crime,not saying that others that have gone thru this in a different way havent been just as important but we the general public have had enough of the violence. It is time to make a stand and push for a better criminal justice system. The offenders are living in better conditions than most of the street ppl or even some low income families. I am a resident of Selkirk and dont want to see him out and about. The thing that bothers me the most is how many times have we heard of repeat offenders that showed so much promise of NEVER repeating a crime? How they often say I was so much better I didnt think I needed the pills anymore? THERE ARE TO MANY WHAT IFS…

    Selkirk,MB R1A 1H3

  777. Manitoba R9A 1L4

    I do not think it’s fair to anyone, especially the people that have had to deal with this first hand, that this weirdo has the right to walk the streets, accompanied or not, especially unknown to the community. Why is it that our government protects the criminals and the immigrants more then their own CANADIAN citizens. What a slap in the face. Plus, if he is well enough to walk the streets he should be well enough to be going straight to jail to serve a real sentence.
    4 years in a mental institute. Unreal. Illegally downloading movies/music off the internet gets you more time in the slammer. Maybe people will start pleading insanity with that too. Stupid f’ed up justice system. Start defending those that deserve it.

  778. Until patients’ rights to decline medication, prescribed for their benefits and the benefits of society, are completely removed there should never be a release of individuals who have committed violent crimes and have had the consequences of such crimes denied. The protection of innocent individuals in society must trump the rights of individuals who resort to violence. Safeguard measures to assure the taking of prescribed drugs must be accommodated before release of patients!

  779. Scarborough, On. M1P 3G7
    Everything is so backwards now! It seems that the criminals have more rights than the victims. It’s time to stop this insanity!! What is happening to the “logical” values??
    If they decide to let him go free, he should end up in prison to pay for his crime.

  780. Mr. Li should never be free. Proof he doesn’t deserve freedom is in the fact that he expects it!

  781. This is just another example of the “Loonie Left” leading us over a cliff! How could anyone think that there could be any other resolution to this horrific “Murder” than to lock this guy up forever? My heart goes out to the family, who it seems are getting absolutely no support from any arm of the Criminal Justice system! When does this madness stop? John Tennyson
    L2N5T2, On

  782. Let it be known for the record that Mr Summerville would appear to be capitalizing on what we would all agree to globally, as one of the most in-comprehensable acts, Ever. There is no one on the planet that is qualified , not only to attempt to dianose & treat Li, but to speak of it in such a way that is understandable to anyone, without offending & under estimating those of us who do understand.

  783. It will be very dangerous for the general public safety to allow such an ill person to be allowed freedom to live along with others who pay so much taxes for their safety. We all have faith in the system that correct steps will be taken to ensure that Canadian’s tax funds are put to better use than to supervising such a person and pay for the peace officer’s fees.

    Li should be kept in an mental health institution considering that if he ever gets off his medication, he may not be able to distinguish the reality and cause more stir.

    I support Tim’s Law for the good of society, and safety and peace for everyone.

  784. Amanda Cadeau, Ontario, M1E 2H3.
    My father would also like to vote.
    Ken Cadeau, Ontario, M1E 2H3.
    We sincerely hope that attention is drawn to this law and that it is passed.

  785. For such a heinous act nobody regardless of their mental stablity should be allowed back into society again.

  786. This man should never be free to live in society. He has never been punished for what he did to Tim McLean, a young man travelling on the bus with the thoughts of being back at home again. Li took this from Tim…without thought for someone else. Li placed no value on life.

  787. Our system should regard public safety as its number 1 priority. Vincent Li should be locked up for the rest of his life in order to protect the public. Mentally ill people often don’t take their medications once they are out on their own – they think the drugs are messing with their heads.

    My heartfelt condolences go to Tim’s family.

    RR #1, Mill Bay, B.C. V0R 2P1

  788. im all for the insanity plea, but when it comes down to such a HORRIFIC SADISTIC CRIME that law should not apply- he has to be kept locked up forever HES A MONSTER BEYOND MENTAL ILLNESS. in my experience working with mental illnesses no one ive met (even off their meds)go to that extreme mindset, thinking the victim was an alien doesnt explain the circumstances, you dont eat aliens etc. if this is how sick people act out we would have alot more similar cases… word is that this is his initiation into leadership of some underground gang and hes to be released asap

  789. I would think Li would be very afraid to walk free. I hope the people of Selkirk will get in his face, and convince him to stay locked up.

  790. I firmly believe there is no cure, for this man, what does significant progress mean, that he takes his meds, when given to him or he smiles a lot, says the right thing when asked a question? We all know that when he is released into the public, it will only be a matter of time, when someone else will be his victim. He needs to be locked up forever, he committed murder, no amount of time can change that.

    Duncan, B.C. V9l 5R4

  791. We need someone to be held accountable for ANY future actions by these people. If the psychiatrist will not guarantee their actions then they MUST be kept under lock and key.

    RR1, Mill Bay, BC, V0R 2P1

  792. Mental Illness has become the excuse for almost every criminal out there. They know they are gonna get off easy if they say what i was crazy when i did it, its just pathetic. The Pas Manitoba R9A 1L7

  793. I fully support Tim’s Law. I also belive the government should take some kind of action to change this outrageous situation in this country. Duncan B.C. V9L 5R4

  794. Just over a decade ago, I was hit in the face in the Air Canada Park in Winnipeg about 3:30 P.M. one afternoon by an individual with the same illness who was also off his medication.

    Fortunately, a woman saw it and started yelling and the attention sent two men to grab the individual and take him to the Security Office in the Air Canada Building. Police were called and eventually the man ended up in hospital, forced to take his medication, and kept there for three months but no charges were laid. As a victim, I had no support whatsoever, other than that of family and friends.

    As I described this man to a friend, she informed me the same man had badly beaten a woman in the top floor of The Forks tower some months previous.

    The medical people and the politicians who ignore the situations these people cause, and who keep letting these individuals out of confinement, should be foreced to live next door to them to keep them on their medication and supervise them at all times! Maybe then the rest of us will be safe!

    Our hearts go out to Tim’s family and friends and we wish them all the best with this petition. We really need Tim’s Law.

  795. Normal murderers go to jail. Insane murderers get treated, and if they can be treated, GREAT! Now that they’re made normal and conscious again, they should go to jail like any others, NOT RELEASED! What part of this logic is too confusing for the Canadian law makers? Not a 2nd chance is to be given, because in Li’s case, the 2nd chance resulted a murder. Whatever doctors or so-called professional psychiatrists that released him the first time around, should ALL be FIRED!! Now releasing him the 2nd time?!? You MUST be kidding!! If you’re not kidding, that means in Canada, you can kill kill kill if you have psychological issues and make sure you know how to say “I’m sorry, but I’m ok now”. And guess what? They say that 1 out of 3 people in Canada gets some sort of psychological issues, so be prepared to keep a distance from others because there’s a 33% chance you will run into a murderer. To live in a society like this is worse than living in third world countries, those places that we consider low quality of life. I’m not all that proud at all being a Canadian.

  796. We don’t really care why he did it. That fact is he committed a brutal crime. If he need’s a hug and a pat on the back, lets keep him locked up where he can get plenty of those, in a supervised, safe (for everybody), environment.

  797. Calgary, AB
    T2J 6P6

    The NCR method of ensuring Lee is taking his meds is calling the police if he fails to show up at the hospital to receive them at the scheduled time – by which point he could easily have killed again.
    Schizophrenics go off their meds and fall below society’s radar ON A DAILY BASIS, ask any health-care professional, or walk into any homeless shelter & observe the concentration of easily identifiable MH clients.
    Lee needs to be interned in a facility permanently; or until epistemically verifiable solution to the above cited problem is found; for everyone’s sake.

  798. I am ashamed to be Canadian. To live in a country that allows violent criminals to get away with murder, is a discrase to people who live here.

  799. It is time that as Canadians, our elected officials quit being such milk-sops! Murder is that … murder and must be punished! Not patting the perpertrators on the head and feeling sorry for them. To imagine that this person will walk free because he ‘appears’ to have his medication under control? If you believe he has the ability to control his medication, then I have a continent ‘down under’ to sell you! May our law makers finally get a spine!

  800. People who kill another person should live under supervision for the rest of their life. The Canadian people do not need to spend extra resources and money to try to rehabilitate them, when it is not possible to assure their future behaviour.

  801. The Canadian justice system needs a complete overhaul. It’s no wonder it is called the Criminal Justice system because it SERVES our criminals and completely ignores the victims. There are far too many self-serving lawyers in the system whose main goal is to milk the Canadian taxpayer for whatever they can get by defending these worthless criminals, most of whom cannnot be re-habilitated. Perhaps those bleeding hearts that support Vince Li should be awarded custody of him 24/7 and see how quickly they will change their tune.

  802. Honestly, if there is no doubt that the murder has been committed by a specific person, the death penalty needs to be brought into the judicial system. The laws focus on/attempt to improve the life of the offender, and how his/her offense is dealt with and how he/she will suffer, and not from the prospective of the victim and their families and how they will suffer.

  803. Art and Linda Birch
    Olds, Alberta
    T4H 1K7

    Things have to change as we cannot continue to have people found not
    criminally responsible and allow them to use this medical condition to
    get away with murder. They need to be held accountable for there actions.

  804. Why in the world is there a discussion on this…the man should not be allowed out…under guard or not. These people cannot be trusted nor are they resposible enough to remember to take their medication.
    Our heart goes out to Tim’s family for having to go through this horror all over again.

  805. Im not gonna say much other than our justice system is pathetic and disgusting. And yeah they should bring back the death penalty!!!!!

  806. The Monster Li should rot in a rubber room. “Criminal Justice” in Canada clearly means that ONLY the CRIMINAL gets Justice. It’s disgusting . My heart aches for Tim McLeans family.

  807. I believe in capital punishment for such a crime and not to capitulate because of a mental illness.

    WhaT ABOUT THE VICTIMS FAMILY. wHERE IS THEIR COMPENSATION???

  808. I’m sick & tired of whining psychologists saying no one is responsbile for their actions and they should all walk around free again. For the good of society leave the perps in jail. I hope Tim’s mom gets answers to what the heck took so long for the cops to intervene while Tim was cannabalized as well. I won’t travel by bus ever again.

  809. We need a vote. As was done in the past, this man should be locked up for life. (and not the 25 year life)

  810. This must change, someone must take responsibility. The focus in this country on the criminals rights is so out of step with the average Canadian’s way of thinking it would be laughable if it wasn’t so infuriatingly wrong and unjust.

  811. I support making this law 100 percent, let’s treat the victim fairly rather than the criminal.

    Kenora, Ontario

  812. Our hearts go out to the Mother, and other relatives and friends, of Tim McLean. An especially horrendous murder, almost in plain view, was committed, in 2008. Canadians, across the country, have suffered, mostly in silence, as we’ve noted the unfolding of events. It seems that the majority of people can scarcely express their shock, and outrage, about the fact that Vince Li is being treated extraordinarily well. He, reportedly, has a chance for more and more freedoms of his own, inspite of the fact that so many innocent victims, those who were closest to Tim Mclean, are helplessly wallowing in pain! Presently, those victims are being faced with the possiblity that Vince Li will not ever be imprisoned for his murderous deeds. As well, Vince Li could be out on our streets, in the not too distant future! That prospect is wholly unexceptable! What a travesty of justice! Our Laws must be changed to protect the innocent. In our opinions, Vince Li should never be free from incarceration. No drug, or treatment, could offer a guarantee that Vince Li would never be a harm to society again! What are the “Medical Specialists” thinking? The next victim could be a relative of friend of theirs!

  813. This is always a one sided affair with the attention paid to the criminal instead of the victim. Federal government needs to stop waffling on the issue and get down to serious business of changing the laws that permit these outrages to continue. Anyone in Ottawa listening and willing to step up to the plate?

  814. Regardless of whether someone is mentally ill or not murder is murder. An e4ye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. Vince Li should be given the death penalty for what he did.

  815. Just because someone shows remorse or is sorry for what they have done, does not mean they should get out of the consequences! I support this petition 100%.

  816. Responsibility is Everything !!!. if Li is not responsible for his horrific past behaviour, and if he should, ‘God forbid reoffend’ then full responsibility for his new relaxed status, medications and all must fall on the shoulders of the buracrates and health officials advocating this position. At the very least if these individuals knew they could be held accountable i.e. Fired, Fined or Charged they would change their tune, like I said Responsibility is Everything !!! Change the Law, remember Tim.

  817. Vince Li is mentally ill, and has no place in society. He should be locked up in a mental facility until he dies. He was being treated and choice not to keep taking his meds. How many young men are dead by his hand from Toronto to Edmonton? We’ll never know. But we know he killed Tim McLean / McKay and never should be free to do this again!!!

  818. 386 Dairrview Rd. Regina SK S4R 6W5
    this individual is dangerous when not confined and no one can insure that he will not go off of his medications. He needs to remain confined for the safety of the public!

  819. Everyone who commits this type of act has to be mentally sick. That fact should not be the loop hole to skirt the justice system and not be held accountable. Treat these mental cases if we have to but they should receive a true life sentence, untill their last breath. Time to revisit the capital punishment sentence as their is no shortage of people who deserve it, Vincent Li included along with parents who kill their children.

  820. He savagely took a life – medicated or not, this man does not deserve to be with the general public.

  821. my heart ache for Tims family and the way this young man was taken away.
    I have 2 brothers who suffer from schizophrenia, i understand it is a mental illness, however it does not give you the exemption to commit murder. Li should remain locked up, and just be thankful he was not killed by the RCMP.

  822. Absolutely – he should NEVER get out of psych-jail. I can not believe what the Chris Sommerville of MB Schizo Assoc is doing. As you said “who is being held accountable for the next FAILURE to offend”. PQ cardiologist, NS 1hr pass who murdered gay activist and Vince Li. “If they cannot predict the consequences” is not good enough.

  823. I support Carol, who is a very strong and effective advocate for this cause. What a travesty this is. Vince Li should never see the light of day. It is a cruel society that treats murderers with kindness.

  824. the insanity that allows this inhuman crisis to persist must be eradicated from our society immediately. I have been following this terrible situation from its inception in total disbelief, Tim’s Law would give victims power to fight back against these horrific crimes. Bravo to Tim’s Mom for fighting this uphill battle against such self-rightous egotistic bureaucrats. If Tim could be here now he would be even more proud his mother.

  825. I am 100% behind Tim’s law. I remember hearing of this horrific event and spent the night awake because it terrified me that a man could do something this terrible to someone. I cannot even imagine the pain Tim’s family went through and cannot comprehend how Mr. Li is getting off without any repercussion. Hope you get to change this barbaric law and my sympathies to you and your family!!

  826. In our Canadian criminal system, we need perpetrator accountability, justice be delt and served with appropriate punishment!
    Survivor acknowlegement and support over and above the rights and support of the perpetrator.
    Establishment accountability, public and private!!!

    RIP Tim

  827. Our current laws are inadequate to deal with criminal acts by people who are mentally ill. At present, this is a black and white law, that absolves Mr. Li of any responsibility. Drunk drivers and drug addicts and other people are held to account for behaviour while “under the influence”. The violently mentally ill should also be held to account, especially if they were advised to get help and did not, or if they went off their meds. I do not know what the facts were in this case, but the law needs to be changed, even for those who were undiagnosed. I am pleased that Mr. Li has been sort-of rehabilitated, but he still should atone for his behaviour. It is good that he now gets it, but this is insufficient to protect the public. We have a very accessible health care system and he chose not to use it. The law needs to be scrutinized, as letting this man out into society is totally wrong. If he goes off his meds while on his own, there is a reasonable chance that some other victim could be viewed as an alien. Violent schizophrenics and those with similar psychotic disorders do need to be under supervision for their lifetimes, as their control requires constant supervision of meds. People in the ’70s thought we should shut down psychiatric facilities as they were mean, but today’s free-for-all is a fail. There should be more psychiatric facilities for people like Mr. Li parallel to the prison system. His actions should have been judged criminally guilty, mitigated by mental illness, with the understanding that he was mentally incompetent, so should not be in jail, but must be monitored heavily for many years for public safety. I do not think he should ever be in a prison, as this would not work. Bring back long-term psychiatric facilities and keep the public safe. The people of Selkirk would be more accepting of day visits if they knew that the psychiatric facilities had full control over this person, and that he would not be allowed any more freedom than he has now.

    And now to refugee/immigration, no one has told us how this man was admitted to Canada. I need to know!

  828. Thank you Sun News for bringing it to our attention. Again, our laws of our country protect the criminals. This needs to change.

  829. 100% in total agreement with this. He should be accountable for his crime, and no matter which way you look at it,…IT WAS A CRIME, and he / Li is guilty.

  830. Total overhaul of present law to make psychiatrists directly and wholly (legally)responsible for any NCR who has committed a further offence while under treatment.Such psychiatrists shall be fully liable in civil court for neglect should an NCR committ further crimes while under supervisiuon. Once the NCR is determined to be “safe” that he/she automatically have a prison record and serve a minumum life imprisonment (25 yrs without parole)in a high security prison.

    All victims or their relatives receive full and due compensation (and full support)from the Federal Govt for all stress automatically(at least $500,000).

  831. I support this 100%. If you are so dangerous that when your not medicated. You hear voices that tell you to kill people an eat them. And you have a history of not taking your medication. An a HISTORY of ACTING on such thoughts! Mentally ill or not you belong locked up!! For life!! When is Canada going to wake up and start taking care of the real victims of crime. I don’t think this is a issue of Left vs. Right. This is about whats Right and whats Wrong. It’s wrong that we have a system that spends so much time and money on rehabilitating the Offender. And not a dime on the victims. Vincent Li has all these government sponsored experts (So Called). To make him so called normal. But were’s the government sponsored “expert” for Tim’s mom. How about some help from the government to try and make her life “normal”.

    Chris Bartlett
    Alberta,
    T0M1J0

  832. Bring back the death penalty for those who are found, without a doubt by a jury, criminally responsible for murder, sane or insane! Someday it will come to this. Hard working people are getting fed up with this bull***t political correct “justice” system who are always giving sympathy to the criminals and a kick in the a** to the victims!!!! Maybe the doctors, judge and defence attorney who say Li is “OK” should be so kind as to invite him to live in their homes, where they can take care of him and make sure that he becomes a good boy.
    Man this sucks!

  833. I totally support Tim’s Law . Tim’s family’s lose is every family’s lose. I can’t image somebody else will get hurt by letting this guy walk away from the justice.
    Canmore AB

  834. It seems to me that those who decide that NCR perpetrators can safely be released into the community should have to put their own futures on the line by having to serve an equal sentence to the offender in jail should they be proved wrong in their optimistic assessment. Perhaps then they would be less eager to gain special privileges and early release for the perpetrators.
    I hope our government is paying attention to the Canadian people on this issue.

  835. I can not remember how many times that I have heard of people like Li being allowed out, after very expensive treatments, only to destroy another family’s life the first chance that they get.
    Will the professionals who are also not held responsible for their decisions ever take responsibility?
    So who is it that is accountable? It is the Canadian public because we pay the bills for these people who should be locked away securely, rather than to keep asking us to pay the way for these reprehensible characters.
    I support this petition whole heartedly.

  836. I support Tim’s Law and would like to see changes in the legal system that protect the victims and their families right’s.

    Michael Madill
    Canmore Alberta

  837. I support this proposed law but would add …. let a life sentence life be a life sentence….that means until natural death.

  838. I would truly want something to happen about this petition, sadly I don’t think anything will. There are too many, and loud liberals around that don’t want anyone to have accountability. Their attitude is always just forgive and forget. Something this horrific should never be forgotten, nor forgiven.

  839. the so-called “experts” who deem these monsters fit to live amongst should also be held criminally responsible when they re-offend.

    absolutely disgusting !!!

  840. I support Tim’s Law. Mr. Li should never be released, even he is not “sure” whether he would kill again.

  841. He should remain, until death, in an institution where he is supported by drugs and psychological treatment. He should never be released to society.

  842. I support this 100%
    What happened to Tim was horrific!!! I dont understand this Vince could kill this young man, then be diagnosed with mental issues, and get away with a lighter sentence………he should of gotten the death penalty, in my opinion!!

  843. Alberta….T4R 0A7
    I fully support this law and I agree with a previous poster that anyone
    who was not born in Canada and commited such a horrific crime, should be returned to their country when they are found mentally incompetent to face murder charges or any serious crimes. We should not be responsible for supporting them with our tax dollars while they are given treatment or incarcerated. Let them be the responsibility of their birth country.

  844. I support Tim’s Law. How many more horrific tragedies must happen before we wake up and demand change in our Mental Health system in this country. Province after province is closing mental health facilities. People with psychiatric/brain disorders committing crimes from petty theft to horrendous murders are either housed in over-crowded jail cells or are released from whatever psychiatric facility may be still in use……to do what? Roam the streets; refuse medication (there are life-altering side-effects of these medications…..ask a person taking them about this; this is generally why they are non-compliant with their medication); most of them become homeless and wander throughout our cities and towns, unsupervised and unmonitored. They self-medicate with alcohol and illegal drugs compounding an already dangerous medical condition. Whose rights must we consider? It is a grave disservice to both the mental health patient and society to allow these individuals to remain untreated and unmonitored and to a great extent, homeless. I can think of several tragedies in just the past few years: Father killing his children in Merrit, B.C.; Father killing his children in Quebec; Father killing his family (baby survived) and a woman renting a suite in his home in Calgary; Another father in Vancouver killing his wife, son, and in-laws. How many more?
    Sharon Shea
    Moose Jaw, SK
    S6H 7T4

  845. I fully support Tim’s Law. Ontario. K2H 7A5. Anyone who was not born in Canada and has resided less than 12 years in our country should be returned to their country when they are found mentally incompetent to face murder charges or any serious crimes. We should not be responsible for supporting them with our tax dollars – this is not money well spent!

  846. I agree with a minimum sentence to be served. I think fifteen years for capital murder. The innocent victims got a death sentence with no chance for an appeal.

  847. It is so wrong that vince li is getting privelages to go out for walks in selkirk. They say he is not dangerous but wont tell the community when he will be out. I really hope the federal justice minister puts a stop to this. Its time the community is put first priority before the criminal. Somebody needs to stop Chris Summervile and Steve Kremer now. We cant have this monster back on our streets.

  848. I just read some of the interview with Mr.Li, two things stand out for me…1.) He states that a court order is what would make him take his meds, well lets all face it nobody can force him or any mentally ill person to take their meds so what would stop him a second time?
    2.) In this same interview I read that he is well aware of what he did and the seriousness of it all, well then maybe when he’s “better” Mr.Sommerville (CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada) he can either live with you or go to jail where he can live out his sentence for the crime he committed?

  849. I support this 100%.This should never have happened and should never be allowed to happen again.

  850. There is NO guarantee that those, such as the murderous and vile Vincent Li, will not re-offend. I therefore support Tim’s Law and all that it stands for.

    Saskatchewan, S0C 1N0

  851. Virginia Clare, Deep River Ontario K0J1P0

    not criminally responsible by reason of insanity does not equate to innocent. The same term (for murder 1 or 2) that would normally be served in a max security facility should apply and be served in a max security mental hospital.

  852. If these ‘genius’ shrinks and bureaucrats at the Schizophrenia Society really believe that Li is ‘safe’after only four years of treatment then let these folks take care of him by supplying room and board in their familys’ homes for the first year of Li’s release-and no hiding the knives and cutlery! Think they would accept this suggestion??????? Common sense has ‘Gone Wild’ once again! We need Tim’s Law!

  853. I am in full support of keeping people with Mental disorders in Institutions, I do not feel there should be any excuse for murder. Murder is Murder not matter if your sane or insane. 25 years sounds good to me, Keep them in the Institutions and see if the actually are insane. What about Tim? Did he ask to be brutally Murdered by this supposed Human being. I think not, and we as society and human being better start looking at who we are protecting the innocent or the guilty. My choice would be the INNOCENT VICTIM. Government of Canada: get something done here, not next week, today!!!!!!

      1. I just wanted to also make a comment on people with mental disorders, some of them deal totally fine on medication and counseling. However these people that commit murder, if they get out and do not take their medications and kill someone again, who is to blame. We as society are to blame, because we did not push our Government to change the Laws. Please I am asking everyone who reads this, to speak out and get the Government of Canada and all the Provinces to change these Criminal LAWS. When this happened to this Innocent young man named Tim, I was sickened with fear, that could have been anyone on that bus, that could have been even my family member or even me. Why should society pay for criminally insane or sane people. A CRIME IS A CRIME!!!!! Lets CHANGE our LAWS.

  854. Ontario M6N 1X5

    I support Tim’s Law and I also support the comment and suggestion made by one other person whose comments I have copied and pasted here that is listed above.

    To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a MAXIMUM period of time

    1. I’m assuming you mean offenders should be detained for a minimum amount of time, such as a minimum of ten years without chance of release with the ability of the justice system to expand that ‘minimum’ mandatory sentence to an appropriate longer sentence if deemed necessary. There is no sense having only a maximum sentence because too many bleeding heart judges will never impose incarceration near maximums but these judges will have no choice but to impose at least a minimum sentence(like 10 years) legislated by government, even if the judges desire a less than ‘minimum’ sentence!

  855. It is a travesty of justice that this diabolical murderer is allowed day parole.
    One beautiful life was lost because of this man and as a result of the parole board’s recent decision, more people are at risk. I am in complete support of Tim’s Law – PROTECT THE INNOCENT!

  856. If this man gets out of hospital who?is going to make sure he takes his meds.I know people with this diseaseanif they start to feel better they stop there meds.The excuse they use is they make them tired all the time. and before you know it they are right back where they started.

    1. To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a MAXIMUM period of time.

  857. There must be some limits in society to protect the innocent – too often there is support for the crimnal, the minority or the insane person and barely a thought for the victim…making the world a safer place seems to be a vague ideal nowadays – Vincent Li is a savage and the CEO of the Schitzophrenia Society is biased towards these ill people – where will he be if and when Li goes off medication, which he surely will????? God help Tim Mclean’s family get through this nightmare and see some light at the end of the tunnel…

  858. I support Tim’s law. And I wonder about the innocent victims aboard that bus who were traumatized by that crime. Manitoba is not that big. What happens if a family member of Tim or one of those individuals happen upon Mr. Li in a public facility. Imagine having to relive that all over again! The fear of that even frightens me. Where is the justice here? If Mr. Li has any compassion or sensitivity now that he is well, perhaps he will opt to do the right thing and stay in the treatment facility provided by Canada. Isn’t a 1% chance of this occurring again enough to warrant this? Please put this to rest in the best interest of all Canadians.

  859. As the mother of a son who has been diagnosed Schzophrenic, I want to endorse Tim’s Law. I fully support the need for this law to provide protection for society as a whole and one that upholds the sentencing standards provided under the criminal statutes. Whether the individual is judged to be mentally incompetent should have no bearing on the duration of the sentence; only on where the sentence is served and with appropriate medical treatment. There are, unfortunately, individuals who refuse treatment; those who live on the street unable to or unwilling to manage the challenge of their illness. As a society, we need to provide appropriate mental health facilities for such persons BEFORE they commit such horrendous acts as Vince Li did upon Tim McLean. Closing mental health facilities is a grave disservice to those with psychiatrtic brain disorders and to the overall safety and wellbeing of society. How many more traumatic “stories” are we going to hear before we wake up to the fact that there is a need for involuntary, long-term committal to a locked psychiatric facility. We have men killing their children (one in Eastern Canada; one in Merrit, BC; another in Calgary and one in Vancouver). All of these within the past five years. Please pass Tim’s Law.

  860. I think the Mother of Tim is more sick in the head than Vince Li. Mr. Li does not belong in prison at all, because of his schizophrenia, he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong. but Tim’s Moron Mother can’t get it through her stupid head. I guess she’s never Googled the word schizophrenia to see what the bloody word even means. Wake up….

    1. Are you mentally ill ????? you seem to be in a world of your own…most people find beheading and cannabalism disturbing, but you are more interested in Vincent Li being happy…please put your energies elsewhere – this is a serious petition.

    2. There was a time when profound stupidity such as yours was absent from the world. Those were the good days. The fact that he does not know what he is doing is even more reason to keep him out of society. There was a recent case where someone (with mental health issues) on a weekend release killed a man in Halifax. Medical doctors are sometimes wrong in their assessments.

      I support this this law!

    3. you sick bastard—–no matter how old you are you’ve lived too long.you belong with Li and people like him.God help us all from the likes of you.

    4. Answer me this. If he didn’t know what he was doing, how did he dress himself that, converse with another passenger, figure out the proper bus to be on and last but not least HAVE A LARGE HUNTING KNIFE ON HIS PERSON? Schizophrenia does not place a horrific, blackout moment of sheer mental unaccountably between mundane moments of normalcy. I know plenty of severe unmedicated cases who if anything avoided strangers, conflict and the unfamiliar. They heard voices over the radio and tv and here paranoid, but I can say with certainty couldn’t ever do what li did unless they had no value for human life in the first place.

  861. I think the Mother of Tim is more sick in the head than Vince Li. Mr. Li does not belong in prison at all, because of his schizophrenia, he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong. but Tim’s Moron Mother can’t get it through her stupid head. I guess she’s never Googled the word schizophrenia to see what the bloody word even means. Wake up.

  862. I agree that this man may have had issues that required medication. I believe he is probably sorry for what he did. That does not excuse him and he should not be absolved of what he has done.

  863. Since Li felt some remorse (he said he wanted someone to, “please, kill me”) after he was taken into custody, I can’t see how he is totally blameless, or that his schizoid walkie-talkie voice self took over his real self completely to such an extent that he was 100% oblivious to what he was doing while committing the crime. He was at a very low ebb in his self-esteem — no job (got fired at Walmart), maybe no money (why else did sell his laptop while in Erickson?), and he could only feel mounting anger and frustration about not being able to settle in to the Canadian way of life. R.D. Laing might say Li felt “ontologically insecure.” Without purpose, without friend, without meaning. At low ebb. Then the boiler blew.

    S. Watson
    Daegu, South Korea

    1. Lots of people come to canada and don’t murder/consume strangers. It’s not supposed to be easy for immigrants coming here, considering how many true canadians struggle daily. He doesn’t feel bad, if he did he’d be consumed with self hate and remorse. Instead he wants more freedom and privileges. Low self esteem would be a reason to kill oneself…not to brutally butcher someone.

  864. I do not care what drove this person to commit this brutal crime, the bottom line is any human who commits any level of murder has a mental deficiency… Legally, some might say Robert Pickton was sane when he committed all the brutal murders and dismemberment of his victims… But there is no way that man was sane.

    Regardless of a murderers sanity, no murderer who commits this type of crime should ever be allowed in public again, period! I do not want to have a person like this living next door to me knowing that there is only a pill which he takes that’s preventing him from committing this type of crime again. Any doctor or official who feels this murderer should be free, at any level, should first willingly allow their own children to live with this murder without any supervision for a year. Worst of all a news report stated this murderer wants to live anonymously… What the hell… A sex offender cannot do this and this murderer can??? NO WAY!!! AGAIN I STATE A PILL SEPARATES HIM FROM MURDERING AND EATING PEOPLE. I am more disgusted with anyone who feels or contributes to releasing this murderer, who’s insane, him or those who release him. By the way, the murders name does not deserve to be mentioned, as he is not worthy. As far as I am concerned… He should be confined for life… At least he is not living in a 6×6 cell like most murderers. I’m glad doctors figured a pill can help control the monster… But the fact that he committed the crime, has the memory of doing it, he is still guilty of murder and should be confined. Having a mental illness should only allow him a more clinical, yet comfortable prison. Give me a break… Allowing him freedom, the ONLY person who has any right to have a say with this… Is the victim, who is DEAD, however, his mother and family are also victims… What about them?

    I support Tim’s Law. N4S3R5

    1. EXACTLY
      You have people who conversed with a teenager who lied about her age that get strung up and get every aspect of their lives destoryed, yet we allow our justice system to coddle some of the most twisted people in society? Why are we so concerned with people who are considered unaccountable and their rights? If they are really so far gone that they don’t take blame for the most vile actions imaginable, then they really wouldn’t mind being locked away for life. It’s sad when past generations had a better handle on mentally disturbed people who posed threat to others.

  865. I do not care what drove this person to commit this brutal crime, the bottom line is any human who commits any level of murder has a mental deficiency… Legally, some might say Robert Pickton was sane when he committed all the brutal murders and dismemberment of his victims… But there is no way that man was sane.

    Regardless of a murderers sanity, no murderer who commits this type of crime should ever be allowed in public again, period! I do not want to have a person like this living next door to me knowing that there is only a pill which he takes that’s preventing him from committing this type of crime again. Any doctor or official who feels this murderer should be free, at any level, should first willingly allow their own children to live with this murder without any supervision for a year. Worst of all a news report stated this murderer wants to live anonymously… What the hell… A sex offender cannot do this and this murderer can??? NO WAY!!! AGAIN I STATE A PILL SEPARATES HIM FROM MURDERING AND EATING PEOPLE. I am more disgusted with anyone who feels or contributes to releasing this murderer, who’s insane, him or those who release him. By the way, the murders name does not deserve to be mentioned, as he is not worthy. As far as I am concerned… He should be confined for life… At least he is not living in a 6×6 cell like most murderers. I’m glad doctors figured a pill can help control the monster… But the fact that he committed the crime, has the memory of doing it, he is still guilty of murder and should be confined. Having a mental illness should only allow him a more clinical, yet comfortable prison. Give me a break… Allowing him freedom, the ONLY person who has any right to have a say with this… Is the victim, who is DEAD, however, his mother and family are also victims… What about them?

  866. Either hang him or send him back to China. Love to see what they’d do to them. Something wrong with our country when we treat their criminals better then they would. If you don’t support this law then you support criminal immigrants and the slow deterioration of our country.

  867. I remember the news well; it was horrific. As a mother who has lost a child, my heart goes out to the victim’s loved ones.

    My daughter’s legacy is SAMANTHA’S LAW which is an amendment to the FSCD (Family Support for Children with Disability) Act. It defines caring families of children as distinct from indivduals requiring protective services under the child welfare intervention model. Loving families must not be forced to surrender guardianship, nor coerced into out of home care of a child in order to gain access to necessary medical supports and services. http://www.petitiononlinecanada.com/petition/samanthas-law/67

    Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/SamanthasLaw

  868. Thanks to the on going publicity from Tim’s mother I heard on the radio talk show this evening 22May 2012, I am glad she is still keeping Tim’s memory alive. No one should ever forget the terrible incident which took the life of this just wonderful young lad. I am in full support of Tim’s Law and strongly object to any sort of freedom for this person that took Tim’s life. If this person is freed, guaranteed, and I mean guaranteed this person will commit again. It only takes short relapse to not take his meds. Must be constantly supervised for Life.

    N.S. B0J1W0

    1. How do you know he will commit again? Are you one of his Doctors? Wow everyone seems to know a lot more about this case then the people who are actually involved in his treatment. Give your head a shake you’re just fear mongering like the rest of these Sheep!

      1. you have a lot more faith in the Dr’s and the systems as they are, than I ever will again. I am not fearmongering and if you are not in support… what are you doing on here? vince li has the support of a team of dr’s and other highly paid professionals as well as the medical,and mental health systems and the judicial system. Who does Timothy have? Just me. The systems and drs are all there for li NOW but where were they when li needed them before he killed my son? He had been diagnosed.

        1. Carol, I support yoou 100%. I have a Schizophrenic son and know of what I speak. The Mental Health system in this country is shameful. You are right to ask…..where were these Doctors, Psychiatrists, Mental Health workers BEFORE such a tragedy happened. Those suffering (and yes, they do suffer) psychiatric brain disorders HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TREATMENT WITH NO CONSEQUENCE (at least until THEY COMMIT SOME HORRENDOUS ACT). This has to change. I will fight with my last breath to support changes to our Mental Health system. It is a disgrace to everyone in this country. Please feel free to e-mail me if I can be of any assistance to you.

        2. I am so very sorry for your loss Carol and know of your frustration. Our legal system needs to be looked at and changed so people like Li never have a chance to reoffend.

        3. Carol de I am truly sorry for the loss of your son I hope you don’t think I am not sympathetic to your pain, I am.

          There is not enough support for those suffering from a mental illness in this country the research I have done makes me sad. I also understand your wanting this law passed for those who have murdered someone and who suffer from a mental illness to be held accountable for the crime, but my fear is that the wrong message is being put out, that the mentally ill are being painted with the same brush that is what my concern is. The stigma of mental illness is frightening people who are trying to seek help back into hiding and all the recent publicity and comments are very negatively affecting how people now perceive someone with Schizophrenia.

      2. And how do you know he won’t? The people here aren’t ‘sheep’ we care what happens next and we’re showing support. Give YOUR head a shake and jog on

      3. Come back to this petition after one of your relatives is savagely killed and cannibalised …

        1. I am so glad that none of you will be involved in any of the decisions made regarding Vince Li and his time in hospital because if it was Vince Li would be: BURNED ALIVE/SAWED IN HALF/ELECTROCUTED/SHOT/STABBED/RUN OVER/THROWN OFF A CLIFF/BEATEN TO DEATH/CRUCIFIED/BLOWN UP/HUNG

          ….have I missed any? Oh and btw these are just some of the suggestions posted by fellow Tim’s Law Petition Supporters.

          1. No worse then what is done to millions of INNOCENT animals this world over. Last time I checked we are also animals and Li is not innocent. I see you are either someone with rose colored glasses glued on, a religion that believes faith and god’s love can fix anyone or a person who can not accept the fact that someone would actually be so evil, naturally.

      4. Ya doctors have never made a mistake, just like judges, cops, teachers, politicians, scientists, and priests. Get real. A doctor is just a person who went to school for longer then most studying people as a subject. They still were born, grew up, eat, sleep, shit, masturbate, judge, covet, hate, love and form numerous personal opinions throughout their lives, many of which will be changed again and again. I suppose you are unfamiliar with the oxycontin epidemic of north america? Who else caused this but doctors? The medical professionals who claim he’s cured are looking at it from a surface view only based on textbook classifications or guidelines which isn’t going to give each case individual allowances which is sometimes needed. Some people are just violently angry people, so that may affect a evaluation of a otherwise sane and fully functional person. Just like someone can be quiet and polite, yet harbor horrific dark intentions and have doctors completely overlook them because the doctor already made a personal opinion at face value. People can change…their opinions, feelings and outward appearance but nothing else

  869. I support Tims Law
    What if he decides to Not take his medication. Are you going to give him his meds every day?
    Kingston, ON

  870. I agree with Tims Mom. Vince Li SHOULD be accountable for his actions. Whats to say one day he decides to NOT take his medicine. And hears aliens again or somethingelse. I know of many stories of patients who stop taking their meds.

  871. I listened to the psychiatrist that treated him speak on the radio the other day…..He said “his recovery is miraculous” and to that I thought, maybe just telling them what they want to hear. I know, first hand, people who have pulled the wool over professionals eyes by telling them what they want to hear. I don’t buy this for one second….he needs to be looked after but do it behind barssssssss.

    1. that was not li’s treating dr. you heard. That was Chris Sommerville who is the head of the schizophrenia society and is a schizophrenic himself,he is not a dr

      1. Well that makes sense as to why he’d be so quick to defend Li, to try and quell negative attention away from a illness he suffers from himself. By saying how “great” Li is, the message he’s trying to send is schizophranic people are like everyone else and with medication its completely controlled, which we know is false. It’s a lifelong battle.

  872. I am in Nova Scotia and I support you in trying to get this law changed. Life is not life and this needs to be changed also. NCR is something to hide behind. Obviously someone like this is dangerous and should not be allowed out of the facility where he is now. Without being supervised he will at some point stop taking his Meds. This has been proven over and over again. Good luck in this fight and know that you are not alone.

  873. Province: United States

    I agree of this law. This shouldn’t happen to anyone ever again, What happened to him was very horrible and I hope you get enough to pass this law. He is a Threat to society and shouldn’t be able to walk free since he may strike again.

  874. When this murder happened (that’s what it was — it wasn’t an “incident” or an “assault”), I read everything I could get my hands on about the murderer and verified-by-real-journalists-and-police facts about his employment history, relationship history, daily habits, education, background, etc., and came away believing this was no random act. I continue to believe that today. I truly believe he was a weird, yet very intelligent, methodical POS who likely harboured a long-seated desire to kill someone in a rage and get away with it by calling wolf. With apologies to the psychiatric community, there are some very crafty people who play violin with professional heartstrings, and psychiatrists are people, too — they’re fallible. They sometimes want the glory and attention of high-profile cases, just as some judges want the same. I believe that, if you murder or harm someone and you are found not guilty by reason if insanity, it should be (in the case of murder, certainly) an immediate sentence of life with no parole. Ever.

  875. Canadian citizen; postal code: V9W8A9
    Bring back Tim from his murder or punish his cold blooded murderer as Tim would have been punished as an alien in any foreign nation for the same action. Stand up for the rights and very lives of fellow Canadians.

  876. commenting from sussex,n.b. e4e 1k5
    this man should never see daylight again.I believe we should revert to public hangings and executions for cases like this where there is no doubt.Especially for child rapists and murderers.A coupla those, and you would see a dramatic decrease in those kind of offences.
    Or for the politically correct crowd,how about this?We take the pedophile , murderer,etc .,tie his hands behind his back and put him in a room with the family of the victim.Make chainsaws,guns,knives,etc accessable to the family and close the door for 2 hours.The family may do whatever they wish with no threat of persecution.If they wanna forgive him,or send him to rehab,i’ts their choice.
    I heard the victim’s mother today on 98.9 talk radio(i’m a trucker) and my heart goes out to you ma’am.If you could arrange mr(?)Li to be on the mckay highway sometime during rush hour,I’d gladly take care of him.We’d save a helluva lot of money in tax dollars from taking care of this garbage for the rest of his life.

    1. So are you for or against murder? Hard to tell since your post is all about murdering Vince Li!

      I quote “Make chainsaws,guns,knives,etc accessable to the family and close the door for 2 hours”

      Quote # 2 “arrange mr(?)Li to be on the mckay highway sometime during rush hour,I’d gladly take care of him”

      There seems to be a lot of mental illness right here amongst the commenters.

      1. I appreciate the support. However I do not have an angry murderous spirit and could never do that to another human being. I wouldn’t want li’s death on someone elses conscience.Also that would simply delete li from the equation and not result in changes to the criminal code to make all the ncr deaths before Timothy’s count for something and nothing would be different for the future victim’s of nce that being said…NEVER FREE!

  877. I do not believe that any person who has taken the life of another and is such a barbaric manner should be considered as NOT a threat to society – this is a random act the barbaric manner is enough to make a person shudder let alone considering him more freedom. Tim will never have the freedom again he does not have the choice this man beheaded him on a bus – what is wrong with the Canadian Society that we forget so quickley how horrendous this was – lock him up and I will gladly pay to keep him there!

  878. I think that people who are dangerous, whether they are ‘mentally ill’ or not, should never see the light of day again if they have caused harm to someone. I don’t really care about their ‘feelings’ or ‘quality of life’ if they’re a danger to the public, they should be removed from society like any other criminal. Stop trying to justify why people do the things they do by branding them with an ‘illness’ and put them where they belong.

    1. Here we go again. Today, in bc, Allan Shoenborn is out walking the streets after MURDERING his three children. As with Tims murderer, we have these so called experts claiming it’s best to let these murderers out. That’s great. Put your money where your mouth is. If they re- offend in any manner, the people who argue for their release should be held criminally responsible for whatever crime they commit.

  879. He should continue to get treatment and stay locked up. There is no place in society for Li.

  880. If a killer/criminal wants to plead insanity in order to get away with the murder/crime committed, then they MUST serve at least 10 years, and only after 10 years be interviewed, while being treated the whole time. ultimately, I would prefer Li be given the same mercy he showed Tim on that bus.

  881. Prince Edward Island C1A 8S8

    Vincent Li may be a model citizen within the care of nurses and the walls of the mental health facility but he has proven that outside this facility and in his own care, he is unstable and violent. May I never have to experience the gruesome death of one of my children at the hands of a model citizen. Justice should prevail for the victim(s) of violence.

  882. It’s disgraceful when people are detained in asylums but not treated like the criminals they are due to their ‘mental health’ issues. There are plenty of people in the world who suffer from mental health problems but they aren’t all savage murderers. I hope you get the justice you deserve 🙂

  883. If this guy did what he did in China, he would not be breathing right now, at the very least he should never have any freedom what so ever, where is the justice for Tim’s mom, it sad that she has to go through this.

  884. Montreal , Qc H4x 1p7

    People like this should never have the right to put the rest of society at risk again

  885. I believe this man should never ever walk free. Weather it be in the gardens of the institute or in public.

  886. that man should be kept in an institution the rest of his life never to be allowed out in public ever. the term not criminally responsible defies all common sence and logic he has murdered a fellow human being.

  887. Cheryl Gosine
    Nova Scotia
    B3R 2N2

    I hope this man never gets out. It is horrible to think that he may be out again. We just had a murder here in Halifax after someone was let out for a few hours. Not funny at all. Scary!

  888. Nova Scotia B4C 3X9

    This blows my mind. This term “Not Criminally Responsible”. I get it that these people do not go through a criminal process , but they should have to stay in a mental institution under look and key and serve the same amount of time. To be put out on the street in less than 4 years is unbelievabale. This law needs to be changed.

    1. He should never know freedom again. I would fear for everyones safety with this guy freely roaming the streets again. What happens if ooh say, he forgets to take his med’s one day..?? hmmm??? Will Aliens come down upon us again.. and have Mr. Li to “save us”

      My deepest sympathies for Tim’s family; what a truly horrible tragedy. I myself have had a family member brutally murdered. I know the pain, what it feels like to have her killer roaming freely again.

      It’s not fair! This man should be kept in an institution for a minimum of 25 years.

  889. I do not believe the man should ever be allowed to leave the facility. There was an incident recently in Halifax where an a patient at the East Coast Facility was given an unescorted leave and a Halifax resident ended up dead. I can only assume that he was also considered a low risk to reofend.

  890. Vincent Li is profoundly ill, and must never be allowed to mingle freely with other people.

    Nova Scotia
    B0J 3M0

  891. This makes me feel so not safe knowing a cold blooded murderer could possibly be walking among us at anytime. What he done was very horrific, and he should never see the light of day again. Things like this is just telling society that the more brutally u murder someone. All u have to do is say that im mentally unstable….
    That shouldn’t make what happened any less inexcusable!!

    I am very outraged that this is allowed to happen.

    Manitoba R3T 3B1

    1. I agree that The way Tim was killed was horrible, but how are you justified in saying he did it on purpose? That he was ‘all there’?

      I volunteer at a hospital for people who suffer from Alzheimers. Some of them get very aggressive and have hit/struck people in the past – nurses they have known for 3 years – when they have a bad episode.

      How can you say for certain that people know or dont know what they did?

      Yes, we should make sure that violent patients who cannot get better stay locked up, but we can’t scare people so badly that someone who DOES have schitzophrenia, manic depression or any other form of mental illness is scared to seek treatment!

      If they dont get treated, then THAT is bad..

  892. This makes me feel so not safe knowing a cold blooded murderer could possibly be walking among us at anytime. What he done was very horrific, and he should never see the light of day again. Things like this is just telling society that the more brutally u murder someone your chances of getting away with it are more likely.

    T4N 1E9 alberta

    1. I agree that The way Tim was killed was horrible, but how are you justified in saying he did it on purpose? That he was ‘all there’?
      I volunteer at a hospital for people who suffer from Alzheimers. Some of them get very aggressive and have hit/struck people in the past – nurses they have known for 3 years – when they have a bad episode.
      How can you say for certain that people know or dont know what they did?
      Yes, we should make sure that violent patients who cannot get better stay locked up, but we can’t scare people so badly that someone who DOES have schitzophrenia, manic depression or any other form of mental illness is scared to seek treatment!
      If they dont get treated, then THAT is bad..

      1. He knew what he was doing while doing it and leading up to it, clearly. You do not go about normal activites-stab/behead/consume a stranger with a large hunting knife-attempt to drive bus away, have a stand off and attempt to flee out a window-without knowing what you are doing. And daniel actually has people with schizophrenia, dementia and Alzheimer’s in his family and alzheimer’s is a completely different brain deformity that kills the sufferer. Cured is when you no longer need assistance of any kind to manage a affliction. Schizophrenia is a lifelong mental illness that is so complex and different for every individual and is managed by medication, which the afflicted never believe they truly need…

  893. What about the rights of the rest of society? There is no cure for what he has. You cannot guarantee that he will continue to take his meds, or that they will even continue to work. Too high of a risk to the rest of us!

    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    R3N 1Y4

    1. Agreed. Most people with schizophrenia go off their meds constantly because they truly believe there is nothing abnormal about them. Then they go back to giving into the thoughts and voices. Scary to think that doctors are putting so much faith in his ability to be vigilant with his meds. Sure, considering he didn’t think he needed them back in 08…

      1. It depends on the patient how they behave when not under immediate supervision.

        I have known people with mental illness who are totally disciplined with their medication, and I know there are patients who slide, or who have medication that makes them feel abd, so they stop taking it.

        What people need is a support system – either legally mandated, or run by the city/hospital that has check in and fail-safes to make sure not one is left untreated and susceptible to episodes that put themselves, their families and people at risk

  894. Instead of thinking about a murderers rights, try putting the rest of canada’s rights into consideration. We don’t want him out in public, supervised or not. Why grant someone so evil abilities to enjoy anything in life, especially due to the fact tim will never enjoy anything again and his last moments were full of fear and agony at the hands of this li entity. The canadian justice system failed the country and victims of karla homocka, don’t make the same mistake twice. I, as a full blooded canadian, have the right to feel safe, protected and that I should not be subjected to the action of letting someone who killed without rhyme or reason, set foot on outdoor canadian soil. There are enough crazy people out there, I don’t deserve to worry about a confirmed one being treated as though he has rights and possibly being released ever. once he took another person’s life, any rights he might have had no longer stand. He is not a canadian and should not be allowed to pollute our country, by enjoying anything to do with it. A mental illness is not a reason to title someone as “not criminally responsible” when clearly they are criminally responsible, they just aren’t of a average functioning mind state. If they are able to do everyday activities just like a person without a mental illness can then they are able to control their actions and organize their thoughts. They are just as accountable for their actions if they want to walk freely in this country, as anyone else. You do something horrible in between time frames of normalcy, then you are 100% accountable, regardless of what underlying mental illness is detected after the fact, you are still criminally responsible for the crime. I have severe depression and anxiety, which are mental illnesses, so If I decided to slaughter someone at random and desecrate the body in a way most evil, ill probably get no punishment or accountability put on me, right? Sounds ludicrous doesn’t it? Ya well don’t worry, the rest of the country thought so too, but apparently we are a lower priority then a cannibalistic immigrant who slaughtered a young man in front of a bus full of other innocent people, forever forcing them to remember every vivid detail of the horrific scene he created. I pay taxes, and for cases like this I INSIST they use all the tax dollars it takes to keep them until they rot. Thanks

  895. There is no reason this man should ever be released and certainly shouldnt be having any outings, supervised or not!

  896. Manitoba, Canada
    R0A 1E0
    I’m Tim’s cousin, and because of this poor excuse of a human being..i miss him to this very day. I know that this wont bring Tim back but it would be so much appreciated if everyone would be apart of this and share what they think as well. It doesn’t feel the same sometimes walking down the streets or even going on buses just thinking about what happened. I really do miss Tim and wish that would have never happened and I always think to myself why it had to happen to him..or why it even had to happen at all. Also, I think that Li should not be able to be allowed to get out ever! He needs to stay in and never be allowed out because everyone is scared of him and no one wants to see him.

    1. I’m sorry for your family’s loss. I had a friend on the bus that night who had a smoke with tim previously and was honored to have met him for the short time he did. I hope that Li never knows freedom again in his life and that he never knows a moment of rest or peace and that his head is constantly filled with the most frightening and horrible thoughts, feelings and images to him and that when he closes his eyes he is tortured by constant images of tim. I know that when Li is eventually expelled from this world, he will spend a eternity feeling what every wound he inflicted on tim feels like, every single horrible disrespect he committed shall be done onto him, except Li feels every single desecration with a agony that never dulls.

      1. If God made Li the way he is, why would God punish him?

        Wouldn’t a Christian forgive?
        And if Li (who says he’s Christian) asks for forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ shall he not be forgiven of his sins?

        I don’t want to turn this into a religious debate. You can be angry at Li, we are allowed, but you cannot say what God will and will not do – that is God’s choice

  897. Manitoba
    R0A 1E0
    This poor excuse for a man should not be let out! He is not responsible enough to stay on his meds, he didn’t before so why now? I agree that he should be deported to his own country for severe punishment instead of the cushy life he has now.
    I don’t have the right to pass judgement. Sometimes an eye for an eye seems to be the only solution.

  898. This makes no sence and Canada is the only country that would consider this option… First he should be deported canadians dont want to provide for a criminal from another country. Second What he did not only to the family with the loss but all the people on the buss scared for life, medication or not… Life imprisonment. Canada needs a law if you come to this country you abid by the laws or your whole family is on the next flight back home it will help in criminals if the family is at risk. If we send back the criminal and not the whole family we risk the chance of having to suport thier family…. why should canadians suport forginers in our prison system when we are overloaded… deport deport deport. Send him home!

    1. I couldn’t agree more. CANADIAN BORN CITIZENS own this country and don’t want his presence in OUR country, so he should be expelled asap. Don’t we have the right to forbid him from enjoying what’s ours? There is something wrong if his requests are chosen over our demands. I WANT HIM OUT. I also want all criminals and their families out too. A piece of paper doesn’t make a canadian and shouldn’t give them the same rights either. This is our home, they’re just guests

      1. Anti-immigration feelings cheapen the sentiment that people are debating here.

        Technically everyone in Canada who isn’t native are immigrants.
        There are ample immigrants who are excellent Canadians – my parents are examples – who have paid back their adoptive country 10 fold.

        Don’t be dismissive to Canadians because an ethnic immigrant did something horrible

  899. I pray for the family, and hope he is not set free to rome, it has only been 4 years, and he has alot of privileages for such a horrible crime, this could happen again if he is set free to rome more, let him pay for what he has done to this dear family!

  900. I Live in Manitoba,Canada….R0A 1E0….I was part of this family for many years and am still close to them….This is A HORRIBLE CRIME,that didn’t have to happen.We need this Law to Pass….Would you change the Law if it were your Child, or any relative for that matter….Would you really feel safe with this monster working around your children,your elderly parents and so forth…if this law is not passed this is what will happen…Yes they say he’s on controlled meds,but he’s monitored and has no choice…he was also on meds before this happened and chose not to take them anymore…NOW A Wonderful young man lost his life…SAY YES TO TIMS LAW

  901. R.I.P. Tim. What’s happening in the aftermath of your death is a disgrace & justice should be served.

  902. West Pine Ridge, MB
    R1C 0G6

    When it comes to someone like Vince Lee. The law should be similar to that of the states. Once you are found criminally insane, you are locked up for the rest of your life.

  903. P1B8G5 I knew tim personally and no person should have to die this way and no man should get off this easily.

  904. He chose not to take his meds and there is no guarantee that he won’t make the same choice again. He must never be free to harm others. His act was horrific and a family lost a son in the most diabolical way. He was, is and always will be a threat to society.

  905. Winnipeg, MB. R2K 4A1
    Someone NEEDS to make sure this guy takes every dose of his medication for the rest of his life!!

  906. he should be locked up for everyever for taking a inncent life .
    darlene from winnipeg man

  907. Whether or not a person is found criminally responsible or not doesn’t change the horrific nature of this crime. Because someone is found not criminally responsible due to mental illness should not mean they get less punishment than anybody else that commits such a brutal and disgusting act, murdering an innocent young man and in the manner he was killed. So if Vincent Li needs to stay on meds so not to have this happen again only tells me that he should never ever be released because the risk of him going off his meds again and committing this kind of crime again is way to high. The doctors say they feel that there is only a 1% chance that he would reaffend is only their opinion and as far as I’m concerned even if they are right…1% is still too high of a risk when we are taliking about peoples lives. Where are our rights to be safe…I wonder why our rights seem to take a back seat to criminals? Until our laws change drastically innocent people will continue to be victimized over and over by criminals. As a society we need to stand up and say no more!!!
    Sandy H
    Alberta
    T0C 1Z0
    To the McLean family, my heart goes out to you all and I pray that God will help you recover from the loss of Tim…May he never be forgotten.

  908. i find this disgusting,he was off his meds when this happened.he chose to go off meds,he was capable to make that choice,do the crime do the time.i am ashamed to be canadian because of this..shame on canada..the perps are so protected,not the victims..my heart goes out to tims family,& all involved..
    the system needs a huge overhaul….time for change

    1. Will dr Steven Kremer and Chris Summervills take responisibilty when vince li reoffends. That is not a chance we want to take.

  909. I have suffered from mental illness for a number of years and truly understand how difficult of a disease it is to keep under control. I have been through many treatment programs and facilities and I now recognize that just when you finally feel “ok” and not even at the “stable” point that things can go down hill for you so quickly, even with medication, treatment plans, weekly doctor visits and even hospitalizations. It is so hard to live with on a daily basis and every day, even the simplest of tasks can seem impossible. Having shared this about myself I could not express the importants of this law as no one should have to go through what Tim and his family have. Something needs to change drastically in our legal system to protect the people in our communities from dangerous people. This man is very dangerous both to the public and quite possibly himself and everyone needs to be protected. Shame on the doctors for saying he’s responding well to treatment and is only at a 1% chance of re-offending. They have absolutely no way of determining something of this magnitude with such certainty. People that are not able to stand fit for trial show that they can not grasp the simplest of concepts of their actions how on earth have they “cured” him in only a few short years. It is impossible and he needs to remain locked up in a hospital where he can be treated and monitored as he will require constant care for his illness for the rest of his life. We don’t let murders out of jail this quick and someone with this type of mental disorder is even less capable of making decisions for themselves and are counting on us to help them, they need at least as much time to be rehabilitated, if not more, then the average criminal. I wish nothing but peace and happiness for Tim’s family as they try to move forward.

    Dawn Jevcak
    Ontario
    K2G 4H2

  910. He should stay in prison for life. We are not safe with him on the streets. Not knowing if he will stop taking his medication and kill someone else.

    1. I guess if vince does kill again, all the doctors will just say oops i guess we were wrong. Lets not ever let this happen.

  911. White Rock, B.C. (formerly of Winnipeg)
    V4A 7A5

    Forever Tim’s parents and others who love him are destroyed. How dare they allow any freedom for the man who did this! It was an extreme way to take a life on top of it! KEEP HIM LOCKED UP!! My prayers for Tim’s family and friends.

  912. Raisal Maxwell

    Manitoba

    R3K-1A5

    I met Tim’s cousin the other day and was touched by her drive to never stop fighting for Justice for Tim. I would want my family to do the same if something this tragic ever should happen to me, so I’m signing this petition for them. R.I.P Tim.

  913. I listened to Tim’s mother on the radio this morning and I have to say she is a remarkable lady.To handle what her family has gone through in the manner she has is very stoic. We should all get behind this remarkable mother and get these laws into the 21st century. Mr. Li should not be let out into society for the rest of his life. It is his medication that is showing his progress but who wants to guarantee that he will stay on these drugs. It isn’t likely to happen. Keep him in the mental health facility, Please.

  914. Vince Li should never get out, as far as iam concerned they should not be putting the town of Selkirk at risk, just so he can go for walks, our justice system is bullshit, there all fighting for Li to get walks, what about Tim, who was there for him?? Instead they ran scared n hes not here n never will be again, n the justice system is fighting for his freedom, tell me how that makes any sense?

  915. It would be totally asking for trouble letting this violent man out. Many people have mental health issues but they dont take life, Vince Li murdered an innocent young man in such a horrid way for no reason at all and letting him out will give him the chance to do the same thing again!

  916. There are no circumstances under which Vincent Lee, or anyone else charged but not criminally responsible for murder, should ever leave the mental institution except under full guard and shackles. Wonder what the bleeding heart psychologists would say if one of them would have been decapitated. The only time a sicko like this can be left unsupervised is in a locked room for which there is no key. He chose not to take the meds so how long before he makes that choice again! The bigger problem here may be the sicko psychologists.

  917. He took a life, and I’m sorry he wasn’t on his meds!,
    but he should N E V E R see the outside world.

  918. This should never be allowed—Vincent should be shipped home and see what the punishment there would be!!! Disgraceful and shame on CANADA!! This is an injustice.

    1. I agree 100%! The canadian people don’t want him here or to consider himself part of our nation. This is our territory and he’s trespassing by even stealing oxygen. If a animals attacked and ate a person it would be killed…we are animals too

  919. Mental disorder is not an excuse for a crime of this level. If Vincent was this mentally unstable why was he travelling alone on a Greyhound bus anyways? It would be an irresponsible decision to give Vincent more freedoms then constant supervision. Even if he “seems to be doing better”, a man with such a psychotic mental state will NEVER be predictable. He should never get out.

  920. Fuck li he killed my best friend if he gets out Ill kill him then I’ll blam it on god and be free In a couple years that’s how our joke of a justice system works and fuck everyone who doesn’t agree that li needs to die that is the only fair and just choice………….

    1. Actually Derek what you’re saying is called Premeditated Murder, for that you would be punished to the full extent of the law. Li did not murder Tim with Intent nor was it premeditated he was suffering from delusions brought on by his severe mental illness. Those are the facts.

  921. If a person has a spontaneous event happen and is then put on medication I can understand allowing them to return to the general population.
    If a person chooses to stop taking their medication and has another problem that is directly related to their illness they must be held accountable for their actions.
    Mr Li chose to discontinue his medication therefore he must be held accountable for his actions.

    london ontario N5W 2H7

  922. When I first heard about Tim McLean my family and I were in utter shock and disgust to say the least. My heart goes out to this poor family as I can’t ever imagine what you have all been through. Canadas Justice system has got to change as Canada cannot continue to go on like this. We Canadians work hard everyday and pay a LOT of taxes and we deserve better treatment through the court system than this. What Vincent Li did is unacceptable behaviour that CANNOT be REWARDED by being allowed to go free and possibly reoffend. I want a better, safer Canada for all of us.

  923. My heart goes out to you, Carol. Again.
    No doctor can possibly predict when this monster will have another episode least of all say that he (Li) won,t,

    I will encourage everyone that I know to sign your petition,
    Nicole

  924. My kids are scared cause we live 2 blocks away 🙁 if he can be allowed walks put him in jail he can walk in there not on the streets where children and families live !

    1. I believe the more attention the public pays to Vincent Li and people like him who are found not criminally responsible, the more chance the law to keep people like him in hospital for a long period of time, or forever can be changed.Pressure has to be put on the Federal government to tighten up some of the laws about criminals not responsible which takes a large amount of people to complain to the govt. Criminal review board and psychiatrists/doctors also need to take some responsibility for their decisions. Victims and Safety of the public is first priority, not the criminals not responsible.Even though mentally ill, they still did the deed, and there needs to be better laws on the side of victims and families than there is right now.

  925. I don’t think it should matter if you are mentally ill or not, you still took someones life and you should have to pay for that

    1. I agree, this liberal “rehabilitation” of a murderer is criminal in itself. what is going on? A murder is a murder, and Tim mclean needs to be honored by restricting the freedoms of this monster.

  926. Vancouver, BC V5W 1W3

    No Review Board, psychologist, or administrator can ever guarantee that Vince Li will never again hear those “inner voices” that compelled him to savagely behead Tim McLean, then gruesomely defile the body.

    I assume that in due course, Li will be granted complete freedom and officials will try to reintegrate him into society. However, without 24/7 supervision, who will ensure that Li continues to take his medications? What then, and who will take responsibility for Li’s actions?

    Sadly, I predict that Li will, at some point in the future, experience another schizophrenic episode, and take another life. Hindsight will be of little comfort to his next victim or the victim’s family.

  927. Imagine indicating that even 1% risk is acceptable! Who is the next victim?!
    Anyone who does not want to see Mr. Li locked up forever may volunteer to accompany him outside and be one of the 1%. What happened to ‘0’ risk?

    If a doctor makes a mistake in releasing a former murderer, the doctor should be willing to pay the price by losing his/her license. I feel it has been proven that doctors do not know everything – especially when it comes to the brain and mental illness!

    Keep Mr. Li and Mr Schoenborn locked up so we can have our rights to freedom from these types. If they had any conscience at all they would volunteer to pay the price. Perhaps they never learned right from wrong.

    1. Rosemary,I do not have any idea how to remove your last name,I’m not computer savy,some wonderful people I’ve never met take care of the website for me, I will see what I can do.Thank-you for your support.Carol

  928. To the owner of this website, it is so freaking obvious that YOU are the one writing all these comments trying to make this website popular, you’re comments are too close together, I took the time to look at the the posts which are merely minutes apart from each other with random names and postal codes which you obviously found online and quite frankly it’s sad that you feel the need to write all these comments yourself to get you message of hate across.

    1. Thank you for taking time to look at some of the other posts Christopher. I can assure you that the comments being posted are genuine people expressing their dissatifaction with the status quo.

      While many may differ in their opinions of how best to effect change, there is less debate around the question “is the present system working”. There are serious shortcoming that need to be addressed.

      This is the reasoning behind Tim’s Law. The need to have a serious debate on how we “treat” people with mental illness who have offended in this manner.

      As to spreading a message of hate.. certainly not. We encourage all points of view to contribute both editorially, and in comments.

      Again thank you for taking the time to express your opinion.

    2. What is the matter with you? This mother lost her son in an atrocious manner..She is hurt and angry as anyone in her shoes would be…You are sick

      1. Nicole, Angry is an understatement. She’s out for blood. Why the need to insult me? I had an opinion and I shared it.

  929. I am very upset as this very easily could have been my own son. There is a definate need to let the government know that there are many Canadians of which I am, that we do not agree with how Vince Li is being given special treatment. If Vince is Schizophrenic and is medicated he should be kept in a hospital for the rest of his sad life and if he gets better he should be able to do the time for the horrific crime he has committed. I have also written to Andrew Swan and to the Crown Attorney to let them know my thoughts. Maybe more of us should speak up.

    1. Hi Robin. first let me say thank-you for your support,it’s not a question of maybe more people should speak up, it’s absolute. Everyone needs to express their concerns and be counted its the only way,be the change you want to see.

  930. I dont believe Li should be free at all, and the fact that i live near selkirk doesnt help if he’s allowed to have days out in the community doesnt make me to happy i love tim and miss him everyday. Li knows what he did was wrong now and if can comprehend what he did then he should pay the price for it

  931. The majority of comments read on this website are completely ignorant and not based on facts. The fact is we live in a dangerous world. Violence happens everyday and it is not only people with a diagnosed mental illness who commit violent acts. For reference, check the spousal violence statistics in this country. Also, I suggest if people want an accurate understanding of responsibility and the ability to control oneself you all should educate yourselves on the brain and how it actually operates. Or go to a bar, and see how the chemical alteration of alcohol affects people.

    I wouldn’t let my children near you hate mongers-hate and ignorance are terrible societal diseases. Hate is however, easy.

    I understand your fear and your pain but if you truly want a solution to make society better you would consider that your hate and added stigma only drives people away from treatment. You want a safe society? Well perhaps the “John’s” of Canada should go stick their heads back in the dark because there are many people who feel normal when they are assisted by medication, just like diabetics.

    1. I could not agree more with your statement “Violence happens everyday and it is not only people with a diagnosed mental illness who commit violent acts.”

      Tim’s Law would do nothing to prevent first time offenders.The intention around Tim’s Law is to have an open and honest debate around how violent NCR offenders are best treated to protect the rights of the offender while ensuring the safety of society.

      It is certainly not our intent to further stigmatize individuals dealing with mental health issues. Quite to the contary, we have found that there are far to many instances of families seeking help for a loved one and being failed by the system in the adequecy and/or quality of their treatment and care.

      Vincent Li did interact with mental health professionals just days prior to climbing on the bus.

  932. He should be declared as a dangerous offender. When I first heard this on the news, when Tim was murdered in cold blood, and the method in which it happened, I could not believe it. And now to think the person that did this horrific act is getting let out on escorts and probably will go free soon makes me feel ill. I am so sad for the families loss, and if this was one of my family members, I would fight to keep this sick person where he belongs, behind bars. Once he is off his meds he will do something again. These people dont feel normal when they are on their meds, they feel normal when they are not… And thats scary as heck… They say there is a 1% chance he will offend again, does that mean there is a 100% chance he will kill one person for every 100 he comes across??? In this context I think 1% chance to offend again seems very very high. Im ashamed to be a canadian in many ways, and proud in others. This time around I feel very ashamed.

  933. In full support of Tim’s Law! Public safety should be the #1 priority of the justice system. Releasing someone who has committed this horrible act is beyond common sense. It is outrageous!

    Helen Stratigos
    M1S 5W8
    Ontario

  934. Ottawa, Ontario
    K2B 7Y4

    He’ll stop his meds. It is not a question of if he will; it is a question of when he does; who else will have to suffer? Another Family?

    Those who go along not acknowledging they may have a mental problem, are still just as responsible for their actions as anyone else.

    HE BRUTALLY KILLED SOMEONE PEOPLE!!! Enough said…

  935. I read about the possibility of the person who committed this unspeakable crime possibly receiving supervised time away from the facility where he is housed and that he is “better”. Well of course he’s “better” if he’s taking supervised meds. What happens when he’s “out” and decides to not take them. The length of time he has served is NOT ENOUGH to warrant any kind of freedom supervised or otherwise.

  936. Brampton, Ontario
    L7A 3W6

    He should never be released for what he did. If found insane, he should remain in a treatment facility 24X7. If he is now supposedly sane, then he should serve hard time for at least the min. 25 years.

  937. I was shocked when it was announced that Vincent Li was to be allowed passes to visit a local community. I saw it as the first step to Li being allowed out. I am hoping I am wrong. I don’t think he should be allowed out ever. He is mentally ill,but his crime was so horrendous,
    abnormal and unusual,and he can’t be relied on to keep taking his meds if he was not constantly supervised. He’s only been in hospital for 4 years. There is no guarantee he would not have another breakdown.

  938. He lost the right to walk the streets when he took someone’s life. He can rehabilitate behind a locked facility. Allow the tax dollars that would be used for staff to accompany Li to be instead used for family members for grief support and try to move on with their shattered lives. The suggestion that he has this right after being found insane is shameful

  939. I read in the paper that the review board should have to have this man at their house with their families. I think this is a wonderful idea as they think its such a good idea for him to be around our families.

  940. It is hard to believe that we (our country) has come to a point where the individual right is so much greater than the rights of all. I believe Vince Li should have been found “guilty by reason of insanity” and still have to serve a life sentence.

  941. Since Vince Li is supposedly “cured” .. he should now be fit to stand on trial for his crime, or perhaps should be deported to where he came from… as he will always be a ticking time bomb of rage and paranoia.. why should we be at risk… seems like the law protects the rights of criminals over and above us citizens who try to make this country a prosperous and safe place to live.. lock him up for good!!!!!

  942. Ann
    Mtl, Quebec
    (Victim of Domestic Violence)

    So many heartfelt comments. Carol we are all on your side. Your son did not deserve this and this man should never be set free for what he did. What is wrong with Canadian Justice. Come on Law Makers etc wake up !! Why do the victims suffer so much and the criminals just get a free ride on our tax dollars. Victims of violence, crimes etc and their families deserve justice.
    God Bless you Carol. I am so sorry for what you have been through and as you can see from all the comments we all support you.

  943. Winnipeg, Manitoba R2H 1C7

    Words cannot begin to describe the disgust I feel towards Vince Li and his doctors. He should NEVER be allowed to be out with the public as there is NO guarantee that he won’t do something like this again. The doctors’ keep saying that he is responding well to the medications but what happens if he decides to not take it for a day or two? I think that if his doctors are so happy with his “recovery” that they(and/or their families) be the ones to take him on these day trips or into their homes and see how comfortable they are putting their own families at risk!
    My deepest sympathy goes out to Tim’s family and lets keep the fight going.

  944. Our law’s are so unfair it certainly makes you wonder what kind of world do we live in. What kind of people that have this power to make this decision. What ever happened to justice? I think we should ship him back to his country.

    Winnipeg,MB
    R2Y 2M6

  945. What Li did was horrific! How can he be out on day passes already?
    How can he be considered mentally fit this soon after the horrendous
    crime that he did? What an injustice to Tim’s family!

  946. rehab does not work. proven over and over. neither do meds. when the stimuli surpasses the suppressant, the offenders reoffend – over and over. the lives and rights of the public and future victims. to live in safety, surpasses the right of the one individual that puts all these at risk. when you violate that right, you should be removed from public permanently. OUR RIGHTS ARE GREATER THAN YOURS, WHICH YOU TERMINATE WHEN YOU VIOLATE!

  947. As parents, the horrow that befell this family is beyond comprehension.
    After such a short period of time they are once again required to become
    victims to the murderous actions of Vincent Li because of a system that allows a doctor to proclaim that this person who committed unconscionable acts against an innocent man is fit to return to society. We ask – in what
    country can this be considered – Canada. Our children are always taught that they are responsible for their actions and whomever makes the decision to release Mr. Li into society should be held responsible when that decision is wrong at any time and affects other people again. As is the custom in other countries – let Mr. Li now be transferred to a secure facility so no one will ever have to wonder where he is, what he is doing and is he going to stop taking his meds again. I cannot believe that my country allows this type of control behaviour by any doctors to make such an irresponsible decision. What happened to the rights of all other Canadians who may be unfortunate enough to meet Mr. Li under less than controlled circumstances – shame on you for even considering such a violation of everyone and their rights.

  948. M6J 3W1 Ontario

    Vincent Li should never be allowed to roam free! I understand he is mentally ill but the system that monitors these people does a poor job and puts everyone at risk! Granting him freedom would imprison others in justified fear!

  949. Shame on us all as a country for letting it come to this. A murderer gets more support than his victom’s family, SICK!

  950. This whole situation is unreal. What kind of society do we live in when a murderer gets more support than the victom’s family? Deepest sympathy to Tim Mclean’s family, and shame on us all as a country for letting our civilization come to this.

  951. this is what our country and rights are coming to total control from the government and banks.
    You just work and keep us the government happy or you will be shot.

  952. King City, Ontario
    L7B1M5

    How does society ensure that this individual will continue to take medication etc. that allows him to function as a “normal” human being. He has been locked away for too short a time. Him being on the streets again is a very scary thought.

  953. Winnipeg, Manitoba

    Whether or not he has a ‘mental disorder’ he still did what he did and it was wrong. It was brutal and horrible and I worry if he is given enough freedom, he will do it again! He belongs in a facility fit to his needs without being granted freedom. No matter what state he was in, he still killed someone and that is inexcusable.

  954. The idea of this guy getting to walk free is wrong. He took an innocent life and shouldn’t be rewarded for those actions with outings, he needs to be kept away for good.

  955. Lock him up for good.
    Or deport him.
    But spare society the danger of his being released, when he decides to go off his meds.

  956. Either keep him locked up in the genral population or deport him.

    Why should taxpayers be on the hook for his “special treatment”. How is it a benefit to nayone ( besides the shrinks and his supervisors) to rehabilitate this man, who behaves and takes his meds while under (expensive – $1000 a day) supervision, but may decide he doesn’t like the groggy feeling they give him, and stop again while free.
    And to have NO CRIMINAL RECORD because ” he’s sick”?

    Talk about an upside down world we live in. . . what about the victim? Who represents him, and shows concern for his family? Are they getting FREE $1000.00 a day therapy? Did they even get any help with the funeral expenses?

  957. Society should not be put at risk, and TIm’s family should not have to suffer the insult to their injury- because some university educated, but socially inexperience shrink can satisfy his ego by believing he has cured this monster.
    And Canadian taxpayers should not have to fund this guy’s “rehaibilation” and reintegration into the free world to satisfy some politically correct judge’s foolhardy decision to give this monster a “second chance” ( to murder again?)
    Deport him back to whatever cesspool he came from. And screen people coming to Canada a little more diligently. We have enoug degenerates of our own (look at who beat to death the gay rights activist in Halifax recently, and who was responsible for murdering the young girl in Cape Breton)
    These people are never “cured”…..that’s just someone trying to justify their overpaid job.

  958. These “types” are of no use to society, Seems the more “crazy” you are and the more heinious the crime – less time is served. Murder is murder period. I lost my only son to somebody with a “mental disorder”, his punishment ?? Well for starters he was aquitted……….stabbed my son 91 times…….for no reason at all……so now that guy is in The Pinel Institute (what we call club med), for how long ?? Enough is enough !! We are far too lienent here in Canada !! Time to do something about this !!

  959. Keep him locked up. Just because he’s got a mental disorder isn’t an excuse to take the life of a human being. KEEP HIM LOCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  960. I could say so much, but most of us are thinking the same thing. RIP Tim.

    St. Vital Area, Winnipeg, MB.

  961. Victoria, BC
    CANADA
    We need to see this man kept behind bars . . paying to have 2 people escort this man into the community just seems so so wrong . .

  962. As a mental health counselor, I’m appalled that my peers are making a grave mistake. As far as I know, and I’m 16 years in the field, there is no cure for schizophrenia and the recidivism rate for even the best treatment is too high. Depression and anxiety patients receive a poorer diagnosis than Li has. This is just insanity on the part of the legal system. For all of the faults of the American forensic system, and there are many, a sick man like Li would not be put on the express train out of treatment back into the community.

  963. This is ludicrious,, Vince Li should never see the outside of that Mental Hospital let alone supervised visits. This has got to stop!!!! The public must stand up together as a society and get this changed. He should be paid to pay the price just like every other citizen in Canada that breaks the law. His crime is unfallible, he chose to stop taking his meds, who will suffer the next time he does this, because their will be a next time!! If the physiatrist’s brother, son, etc was the victim of this imaginable crime would he still want Vince Li to be around the public, I think not!!! Shame on you docs, sometimes I wonder where you get your degrees!!! And what world you actually live in!!!

  964. The rights of the victim and the safety of the community should supercede the rights of Vincent Li. What happens when he’s ‘recovered’, no longer escorted, released into the community and doesn’t take his meds because he forgets or decides he no longer needs them?

    Saskatoon, Sk S7N 4J1

  965. Tim, never knew him; however was someone’s son.

    Insane or not; to do this to another; words cannot express.

    This man “should never” be granted the freedom ever!!!

    Can’t believe our system is what it is. REHABILITATION; WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!

  966. Not criminally responsible or not, the man is ill and will NEVER be rehabilitated. Schizophrenia is an incurable condition & he needs help. He needs to call a an appropriate medical facility home for the rest of his life. If he’s allowed to roam free, he poses a serious threat to the public. His actions before treatment show that he can never be trusted to continue treatment on his own.

  967. Mr. Li chose to stop using the medication that he knew he required in order to protect himself and the public around him. So in my opinion he IS responsible for his actions. The decision to let him out under supervision is ludicrous. No matter how well behaved he has been, he still needs to pay for the decision to go off his medication. Why do his rights supersede those of the public at large? He has a debt to society to pay for the rest of his life. Stop coddling him and treat him like the adult he is: accountable for his actions like everyone else.

  968. Absolutely disgusting. How can this man be released into society? Would all those do-gooders like to sit beside him on their next bus ride???

  969. I just saw on the news that Mr Li is allowed escorted visits into one of your nearby towns and I find this absolutely unacceptable.

    Schizophrenics are known to go off their meds. They need constant psychological monitoring. What happens is their meds kick in, they stop hearing voices and things, think they are “cured” and stop their pills. This man is not “cured”. They are never cured. There is statiscal data to back up my statements. The meds they take are called antipsychotics and work on certain areas of the brain to “dull the voices” more like sedation, and the psychosis the person is going through. Anyone with any experience with these people know full well compassion may be needed but also they can snap.

    Clearly Mr Li is one of these people and is termed beyond dangerous, without rehabilitation! An absolutely abhorrent and heinous crime committed, Mr Li having crossed the threshold of merely hearing things but he acted on them as well.

    Mr Li lost his privelage to walk among us. Mr Li lost his right to freedom. The very offence he committed offends the senses so, he should be locked up for life. Schizophrenia is a lifetime sentence but the mind is always active, putting people like this around “normal” criminals is not a good idea, or a term of 25 years is not enough. He needs a medical facility for life.

    Oh, and he’s going to hell 🙂 May God have mercy on his soul.

    Thank you for your time.

  970. I wonder why the review board would allow this guy back out in he public. Somebody needs to stop this man from ever getting frredom on our streets. It seems to me the mclean family has been left out . I think public safetybshould over ride vince lus rights.

  971. He is criminally responsible for deciding to stop taking his medication. If I chose to drive drunk and killed someone without deciding too, I would be criminally responsible for choosing to drive drunk. How is this any different. He made a decision when he was well to take risks. Right now his mediation is regulated by others beyond his control. Right now, they measure the odds of him reoffending are 1 in a 100. That is one person in a hundred that he ‘could’ kill. So what happens when he is out on the streets eventually without supervision and eventually released because he is stable. What will the ods be then?! He should never be allowed to control the decisions about his medications ever again on his own. He took the life just a few short years ago, and hust as any mentally ill person is allowed to be released as long as they are stable. What about the child who no longer can’t even take a 30min walk each day like Li is doing now because that child is dead, dying a horrible unspeakable death additionally. That man could be walking beside you on the street, sitting beside you on a city bus soon, or even be the neighbour talking to your children across the fence each evening while they are outside playing alone, just like so many others the mental institutions put on the street each year with no follow up due to lack of funding. I am outraged and the grief I feel for this family to already have to deal with this so soon after their loss disgusts me and is so tragic that I can’t even believe that this could happen. Yet, it happens all the time. Something has to change. Speak up people!

  972. You know our Government and system has failed when the citizens have to sign a petition to enact changes to laws that are common sense to protect society. This whole story sickens me. This guy Li has only been in this Country for 10 years and 4 of them detained for a horrible crime. The only responsible thing this Board can do is load him on a plane back home as soon as his detainment is over. And if that isn’t good enough, then I petition STRONGLY, that every member of that Board must release their home addresses and Li can only stroll in those areas in his “FREE” time. While we’re at it that so called Psychiatric “Doctor” should have his license pulled because the only REAL threat to Canadians is that guy!

  973. Who will be responsible when Li beheads another mothers child?
    Like somebody else said: “not competent enough to face criminal charges for murder?…then not competent enough to be released into society…EVER.”
    He has “rights”? What about our rights, law abiding people’s rights?

  974. Keep this puke in custody until he dies, then feed him to wolves…wait…not fair to the wolves…burn his corpse on the parole board psychiatrist’s lawn.
    Enough of this crap…not competent enough to face criminal charges for murder?…then not competent enough to be released into society…EVER.

  975. Just heard you on CTV. I am shocked that any government especially in
    Canada would do such a foolharty thing. In the United States any murderer who gets off on an insanity plea is usually recharged for the same
    crime and stands trial again. If this is not correct please will someone guote the law for us. There are special prisons for the insane on drugs or not on drugs. This must not happen. I am still wondering when he will
    strike. Please people would you want Russ Williams and or Paul Bernado
    released on day parole….. think this though. My God this government has
    descended into Hell and CANADIANS are along for the ride.
    Gloria J. Akey
    Yarker Ont
    K0K 3N0

  976. I wholeheartedly agree with Tim’s mother that we do not want freedom for those who have committed murder and found not responsible due to having a mental disorder; we need to be protected against any possibility of re-offending. I do not want Li and people like him to be walking among us. It is too risky that at some point they will be off their meds. These kinds of individuals need to be locked up, away from society. They have already shown that they do not deserve the same rights to freedom. Some-thing needs to be done about the legal system. This man is a monster.

  977. … just because we don’t have the capital punishment, he SHOULD go in jail for LIFE. So we are considering “his human right” and ignoring the right to live that Tim had, as well as puting in danger other people’s right; that is so crazy not right

  978. Lively, Ontario Canada.. P3Y 1A2

    It is so tragic that the murder is being ignored and his mental disability is the excuse. He will murder again, he will go off his meds again..no one can say for certain he won’t. Until its certain he should be locked up!!!!

  979. Not everyone who has this illness does violent deeds…..but this man did. there is no way this man should be freed to take a chance that he “might” be ok.

  980. So they are going to let him have freedom, where was Tims freedom when this monster took his life away. LOCK HIM UP !! COME ON CANADA !!

  981. Fogot to put my area, it is Ontario, Canada L4C9Y8. Please lock this sick man in prison. Do it for Tim.

  982. If Li is well enough to be out of the hospital then he should go from there straight to a jail cell. It is utterly ridiculous that there is no JUSTICE for Tim and now this brutal killer will be out in our community!!!!!!

  983. We were all shocked and abhorred by this incident, but lets get real. The man is mentally ill, and the ignorant people on here who havent a lick of understanding on mental illness are only pushing the plight of mental illness back in the closet so that others dont seek help.

    He had a psychotic break with reality. It is well documented that he thought that his actions at the time were the word of God. He never intended to injure anyone, and intent is required to be guilty of murder.

    He not NOT voluntarily go off his meds, because he was NEVER diagnosed and treated, so quit making up stories to support your hatred.

    We need to stop perpetuating the myth that the mentally ill are wired to kill. You are more likely to be killed by a family member than a schizophrenic.

    Yes, Vince Li did kill, but he is in treatment. The professionals who are treating and monitoring him are in a much better position to judge what he will or will not do than some arm-chair psychologist on e-brandon.

    You people calling for “Justice” are full of crap. What you want is VENGEANCE. That would be INTENT, and makes you no better than a killer, regardless of their state of mind.

  984. Victoria, BC
    V8X 3M6

    My heart breaks for the family of Tim, I can never apologize enough for our
    stupid system which forgets victims and bends over backwards to serve
    psychotic criminals.

    Li should not have a review for a least 10 – 15 years, maybe then
    the family could have a little peace.

  985. No way, this person should never be set free. How can this bleeding heart doc tell if this psycho is recovered? He will forget to take his meds and before you know it he will be on the same path. Send him back to China.

  986. No way I’d want this lunatic in open communities. I fear they’ll let him out, he’ll go off his meds, and someone is doomed. Notice how when that politician’s poor daughter was murdered he started talking death penalty? Not that criminally insane people should get that, or any other abuse, but greater attention to society’s safety should come first.

  987. What the FUCK is wrong with Canadian government ? Yeah , I’m sure a retarded psychotic, chinese piece of shit is all of a sudden all better and ready to have ” more freedom ” ???
    He killed an innocent man, and many other people could’ve been murdered on that bus.

    I mean, Canada lets insane muslim fathers kill their daughters , they give freedom to lunatics to roam around, etc because apparently those freaks of nature have human rights…

    Uh bull fucking shit, those people aren’t human , they should be locked up until they die. And tortured, for the rest of their lives.

    Wake up and smell the coffee dear government of Canada and stop being pussies for once and for all.

    Thanks.

  988. The government needs to concentrate its efforts towards the safety of its citizens instead of pursuing petty agendas and investing money aimlessly. The outcome of the McLean tragedy is not only outrageous, it demonstrates a blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life. Granted, Li is deemed a very ill man; however, this does not lessen the severity of his crime. Canada needs to find a viable solution to this predicament; anything less is a step back in human evolution.

    R.I.P. Tim, what you have had to endure on that faithful night almost 4 years ago, is nothing short of nightmarish and inhumane.

  989. All murderers who are not committed to a prison for 25 years but claim insanity ought to be kept if not in a prison in a mental facility for a minimum amount of time which I believe should be equal to the jail sentence or longer. Too many of these murderers are being let go and released into society to reoffend at will. Time to stand up for the victims, ie. Tim McLean beheaded on a bus, the 3 Schoenberg children killed by the father, the 2 Turcotte children also brutally murdered by their father. Anything less is an outrage.

  990. How can they truly say Mr Li is “recovered” when underneath the mask of the medication he is still the same psychotic man??? Without it he would return to the same state. He is dependant on medications, how that is a true recovery is beyond me.

  991. I agree with some comments that the legal system be held more responsible for releasing pysco related criminals. If they are released they should have to have an accountable contact for life and have a record so police may be beable to act more swiftly in some situations etc

  992. When is it safe to say enough is enough, all of these people had lives to live and without any disregard the killer took that, so if they are criminally insane then i say they spend there lives locked up, you can’t say it won’t happen again

  993. I am writting to the Justice Minister, my MP and the supreme Court, to protect the Canadian tax payer from the bastardization of the legal sense of justice. Do away with this law in full and give the tax payer the right to expect TRUE JUSTICE for the crimes that are committed against us. I view ALL parts of the legal tread -mill (law schools, courts, lawyers, judges, DEFENCE -LAWYERS, Parliament, and the supreme court )as suspect in keeping this insane line of defence valid. That is true insanity !

  994. I think it is disgusting how Tim has not received justice. I actually know of people who side with Mr. Li, and defend him to the end, because he was mentally ill and therefore not “criminally responsible”. I think this is reprehensible. I have mental health issues. I have experienced hallucinations before (not from schizophrenia, but from a possible sleep disorder). I know how very real they feel. But I also knew that the stuff I was hearing and seeing was illogical. And I got help asap, was put on medication, and am pretty much rid of those hallucinations. I always discussed my meds with my doctor and pharmacist and used their advice re: dosage adjustment, etc. It would have been irresponsible for me to not get treatment. I knew it could get worse, so I got help. Mr. Li,on the other hand did not take his medications properly, and allegedly refused treatment for schizophrenia in 2005. These things make him criminally responsible in my mind. Lock him up and throw away the key, I say.

    I am also mentally ill, but if I had done something as horrific as Mr. Li did, sick or not, I would belong in jail. With no chance of parole. Murder is always wrong! I don’t care what your claims are, if you are a violent criminal.

    Seriously, RCMP, wake up! The victim here is Tim McLean. Stop showing leniency towards his killer and start showing some compassion for Tim. Again, he is the victim, and the *only* victim here.

  995. Yes. Who is the victim here? The trouble with Canada (and probably lots of other places) is that the bleeding hearts prevail; those who think nobody can do any wrong. But they never consider the victims and the loved ones of the victims. People like that Lee guy should be locked up for ever. Trust him to take his meds???? That’s ridiculous.

  996. I applaud you for allowing us to help with this battle. Too many criminals are using the “mentally unstable” route to plead their cause. Lawyers are looking out for number one! There are president cases on the books but the Judges don’t want to be “too harsh” and our society is suffering because we have no backbone. I believe in a second chance when a criminal has earned it and shown a genuine remorse. Not these mamby pamby cases. What about the survivors, where are their rights?

  997. If someone is not capable of controlling their own actions in cases such as this then they should never be allowed to lose control again. Lock them up and throw away the key! Literally!

  998. The powers that be must change the law so as not to punish the victims and their families but severely punish the perpitrators. Conservative Government get off your butts!!!

  999. Come on Harper – I didn’t vote for a centerist that adheres to left-wing fundamentalist bleeding-heart liberalism. Get off the fence, onto the victim’s case & OFF the criminal’s team. Lest YOUR son’s heart be EATEN. grrrrrrrr!!!!

  1000. I am a 41 year old woman, I am Bi-Polar, does that mean I can get away with killing and then *gag* eating someones child??!!!! Using mental health illness as an excuse not to hold him responsible (Mr.Li) is just that, an excuse. He was “sane” enough to pack, buy a ticket, leave his wife a note but because he said “god told me to” he is treated like the victim, I think not! Many serial killers have said they heard voices, or dogs talking to them, whatever, until Canadians start insisting on reform within the courts animals like this will get away with murder, literally! My last comment is in regards to the actions of the RCMP, to say that Tim was dead so that’s why they let this animal cut him up, eat his eyes and part of his heart is DISGUSTING, if it had been one of their sons that was being disemboweled you can be damn sure they would have shot his ass!

  1001. as well i think the laws in this country are sick,we have millions of mentally ill people,but they dont do what this vermin got away with,at very least his family as well him should have citicenship revoked and sent back to where there are penalties for such horrible things,automatic execution,thats why all the earths scum want to reside in canada?because they can get away with murder,rcmp were idiots,they should have been on that bus,takeing this animal out,so he couldnt contaminate the world anymore,you guys are whimps.sad

  1002. Angie Bohne
    Manitoba, R2L 0R6
    I will miss u forever and ever Tim!! You were an amazing friend and its hard to imagine life being the same without you!! <3<3<3<3<3

  1003. Vincent Li should be held accountable for murdering and dismembering Tim McLean. He should receive capital punishment. This man cannot ever be rehabilitated. Anyone who would murder and than rip his body apart and eat it is worse than an animal.
    My heart of compassion goes out to Tim’s family and also Vincent’s family who must live with this memory the rest of their days.
    Elaine Horner
    Carvel, AB T0E0H0

  1004. These people definitely need to have a criminal record for their offenses as everyone else does. These people are murders, pedophiles and should be locked up just as the rest of such are.

  1005. OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT LAWMAKERS WAKE UP!!!!
    I am ashamed of our system he took a life.

    If Vince Li is improving to the point that he could become sufficiently fit for escorted leaves from the hospital. Then Vince Li should be escorted to the Federal Prison and remain in custody for life with no chance of release. Murder is murder and they should pay for their crimes keep the killer locked up and locked away from society to protect us all.

    Manitoba
    R0A 0Y0

  1006. It would be very interesting to see how fast the laws would change if someone in the government had a family member murdered, by someone “not criminally responsible”…something wrong with the laws when if you are deemed insane, you seem to be able to do anything and get away with it. Does anyone look at the stats of these “not criminally responsible” people offending again once they are sent back into the community. I sure hope this petition helps to change the laws. My dear friend, Karl Alkier is now gone forever, he doesn’t get another chance….

  1007. We can only hope that this action alerts our politicians to make change in our Criminal Justice System. To think that this man could one day be free frightens me.

  1008. I wish you all the best with your petition. Justice must be served. It’s time.

  1009. My prayers are with Tim’s family. It’s time for the laws to get tougher. Tim’s killer needs constant supervision to assure he takes his medications and never hurts anyone again. No family should have to go through what Tim’s family is.

  1010. My experience with working with individuals with mental health issues has been that unless strictly supervised, they will go off their meds. They either feel “much better” and don’t think they need them anymore or the medications have side-effects that they don’t like. For the most part, individuals with a mental health issue are more dangerous to themselves than the general public. Having said that, extreme cases like Lim Schoenberg et al should NEVER be set free. It’s too risky and dangerous!

  1011. I live in alberta and remember hearing of this on our local news station when it occurred a couple of years ago. I was deeply distrubed by it and have been following it as the media covers it. Firstly I have to express my condolenses to Tim’s family. I was listening to the radio today and heard an interview with his mother and was brought to tears several times. I cannot begin to understand what she must be going through. To know her son is dead and never coming back and then to know his killer is now going through the motions of becoming a free citizen makes me sick. I cannot understand how we live in such a great country but our “justice” system fails the victims all the time. I understand that his killer was found not criminally responsible and he does in fact have a medical condition which requires him to take his medications, but as she said on the radio, he was the one who decided not to take his prescribed meds and killed her son. Now the killer is medicated again and making progress so they feel that he can have more freedom. Eventually they will release him and he will be a member of society again, until the next time he figures that he doesn’t need to take his meds anymore and strikes again. Pure BS. I think that we as canadians really have to rally our government and get some laws changed.

  1012. This man needs to be kept in a place where it is ensured that he is taking his medication daily. If not another killing will take place as soon as he feels well enough to quit taking his medications. Then who do we blame? Tim no. Canadian govt. oh yeah.

  1013. I live in the town where he is being ‘treated’ and I do not want him to be out on day passes where he may come in contact with my children. He went off his meds before, what’s to stop him from going off them again if he is out of medical care. I don’t believe his freedom is warranted given the tragedy that has already occured.

  1014. The freedom that this monster will be allowed is beyond comprehension..if he went off his meds once and commited this horrible act, he will do so again..please, please will someone use common sense.

  1015. I am appalled at the thought that this individual, Vince Li, will eventually be released into our society without supervision, without us knowing his whereabouts, without knowing if indeed he is taking his medications which otherwise might bring on the same metal condition.
    I also agree that Vince Li should remain in a locked-up institute. To my understanding he was not convicted as murderer because of a Mental Disorder… but he is a killer. If he is eventually found to be stable enough to be integrated back into society then he should also be able to stand trial for his crime.
    When is the law-society going to start protecting us?
    I, as a citizen of Canada, call upon and plead to the House of Commons:
    To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a minimum period of time.

  1016. We must improve our laws/change them were & when its needed. He may not be mentally responsible but he is capable.
    Would the lawyers and the people who are responsible to release these killers feel comfortable knowing that there family members may be in contact with them IE in the same elevator, standing in line with them in a restaurant, sitting in a waiting room with them knowing full well they cant guaranty beyond a reasonable doubt, witch by the way is needed to convict someone so why not use the same terms to release them, that they will not commit a similar act again I doubt it!!!!

  1017. victims should not be victimized all over again by our bleeding heart system. victims , family members and the public deserve much better from our lawmakers.

  1018. I understand that mentally ill persons that kill, need to be treated and housed in something other than a penitentiary, but their rights must stop being held to a higher level than that of victims, their families and the general public. If Vincent Li is ever released, will there be somebody there to watch him take his “meds” every day. When the mentally ill “feel better” there is a tendency to say I don’t need them any more and they stop taking them. I do not ever ever want to see another family go through this again. Sadly, people like Vincent Li and others like him, who commit heinous crimes should be locked away from society to protect all of us.

  1019. Anyone who commits a murder whether they were mentally ill, or knowning did not take medication, should give up their life (freedom) as a result. They should be put in an institution for life with no chance of release. I am sorry if they were mentally ill enough to take a life, society cannot depend on them to self medicate or take the chance they will go back to a mentally unstable condition.

  1020. I am appalled and disgusted that victims of crime continue to be victimized by the criminal justice system. Where is the victim’s justice system? There is not a shred of hope, nor any assurance whatsoever, that we can be confident that Vincent Li would not slide back into his old ways, not taking medication, were he to be released, “integrated” back into society. That makes all of us potential new victims, with this sword of Damocles hanging over all of our heads. He may not be an official murderer…but he is a killer, and should remain in locked custody.

  1021. I agree with everything Tim’s mom had to say. Vince Li should remain in custody to ensure he takes his medication for the same period of time that a person convicted of 1st degree murder. There is no cure for his illness.

  1022. Our Canadian system is so broken when it comes to the mental illness aspects of crime. I am sorry but if you do the crime you do the time. No if’s and but’s about it. I do not care if it is because of alcohol fueled rage or drug induced psychotic event.

    What and who is to keep this nut on his meds? Who is to say he will not do it again? It is absolutely absurd to ignore the crime here. He killed, mutilated and ate a human being that was dear to many here.

    I am sure that the witnesses to thi scrime would eat their own arms off just to get those images out of their head and to stop the screaming when they try to sleep at night.

    Justice was not served here at all. I am ashamed of our system and how it treated the victims with no justice. Sign the petition!

  1023. If he is set free, the judge should be held accountable for Mr. Li’s actions thereafter. This system we have is very broken and will not get better until it gets worse.

  1024. As of May 30, 2011, there is a hearing for Vince Weiguen Li who killed Tim Mclean to actually be released. This means the suffering of the victim’s family continues like pouring more salt into an open wound.

    This is exactly what is wrong with our legal system. I have never been close to experiencing what Carol DeDelly and Tim Mclean Sr have had to experience and a horrified nation over those graphic details. I have never met these people but I have empathy for their suffering. I wonder why a medical panel, a judicial panel or anyone in their right mind would consider his release as a good thing.

    What turns my stomach is the fact that this man could be released. So no feelings for the family of the victim.

    I really don’t care if he is saner than everyone in Canada. He took a life. I suggest if the judge feels safe releasing him, perhaps his relatives need to be slaughtered for him to understand why it’s a bad idea.

    I hate Canada for it’s blizzards and bitter winter that makes me think spring will never come back. I hate this country even more for it’s idiotic policies that allow the killer to be set free.

  1025. This system is so badly damaged it’s unbelievable. In the Coquitlam Forensic institute recently Allen Schoenberg was granted supervised outings for coffee and such. This after he was found NCR of killing his 3 children. It has since been revoked but this is the same institute Kenneth Barter, the man who killed my brother, Nathan Mayrhofer, is and my family is terrified he will be granted some such atrocity also. I am writing to my provincial government to change the laws in BC and will also write to the Federal government. It cannot be allowed to happen!
    Rebecca Mayrhofer
    Slocan, BC V0G 2C0

  1026. We have to change the law so victims like Darcie Clark are free and the criminals are locked up forever and are declared criminals regardless of whether they are insane or not.

  1027. We have to stop the insanity. These killers have to go away forever. We need to look after the families and the victims and lock up the offenders. Our justice system is for the offenders not the victims and that is just wrong.

  1028. I am so glad that the citizens of Canada can now use the internet mass media to respond to our elected and paid employees’ dereliction of duty. In all the discussions I have never heard anyone defend how our “legal” system defends the perpetrators of crime more than the victims. So who gives them that power???? we do by our silence. NO MORE!
    The next victims could be our own family and friends – we now have decades of “understand the criminal” and I think we now do; they are more often than not, not rehabilitated and more often than not apt to re-offend and create yet more victims. All the lawyers and other “experts” to put our safety at risk without any accountability is not acceptable. We must change this!!!

  1029. I feel terrible what happened to Tim and his family what there going threw.To loose a son cause of a crazy men and he deserve to stay in jail for killing Tim and he was to young to die that way. Tim didn,t deserve to die that way.

  1030. Lea-Anne Hamilton, Winnipeg MB R2R 1A1.

    Just a little bit of my thoughts…
    What if when they let him back out into the community something like that happens again, to another family? He’s mental, crazy & he’s always going to be that way. No matter how much treatment, pills and doctors he goes through, he will never be ‘normal’ .. How would that make the judge and doctors feel when he does get let back out into the community and he kills again. I hope it finally opens the defenders eyes that once you murder someone you will never be the same again!
    All my prayers go out to Tim’s family, so sorry for what has happened. <3

  1031. Until there is a foolproof way of knowing that someone with such violent aberrant ideas will no longer have them (and be guided by them), people who have been judged not guilty of violent crime by reason of insanity should never be released, for the safety of the public. At some point, public safety has to come before the rights of these very sick individuals. How many other mentally ill violent offenders are going to want to use this request to “go for coffee and a swim” to get escorted leave or worse?

  1032. I believe that when someone does something wrong that they should be sent to prison. When my brother was stabbed, he died and the killer didn’t even do a lot of time. Now she’s out there threating the rest of my family. What is happening to the justice system–letting all these killers roam the streets…they should be sent to prison for a really long time none of that early release date.

  1033. Being not criminally responsible is unfair and unjust. In any case, murderers should be punished for the crime they commit. It is digusting to think that anyone can claim they hear voices and not be considered liable for their actions. How will doctors, lawyers, and judges identify persons who are truly sick to those who claim to hear voices just so they dont have to serve their time in jail. Murders no matter what the case, should be convicted to the degree of crime they committ.

  1034. I do not believe mental illness is an excuse to break the law. The law exists to bring justice to the victim and society. We Canadians take political correctness too far

    Rev. Al Mayall Ba. MTS

  1035. Please, we have to start standing up and rejecting this kind of gross injustice. Criminals walk free while the victims will never walk, talk or love again. What is the matter with the judges and the lawyers. They say they go by the law; whose law?

  1036. there needs to be a change in the NCR laws. its a tradegy that murderers are not being held responsible for there crimes.

  1037. Too many of these murderer’s are getting away with murder…..how many more has to happen before the law see’s that there has to be a change!!!!!! RIP

  1038. This world is sick when god gives us life & some sick scumbag comes along & takes our lives away in a split second. What is this world coming to when an individual can commit murder & get away with it.NCR meaning not criminally responsible well ,who is responsible? Those beautiful souls that never get to live life,graduate, grow old, love, marriage, have children, decent human beings that have their innocence taken away tell me who is responsible?? This is such a sad ,sad ,world, you can bet if the judge or any criminal lawyer had this happen to someone they love, they certainly would want justice.

  1039. My heart goes out to all the victims of our unjustice systems. Things have to change and soon. We need to look across the border and adopt some of their laws – death penalty, life in prison, etc. The young offenders law also needs to go. There are young offenders that commit some horrible crimes time after time and they are just sent home to Mommy at the most – how terrible, what a deterant.

  1040. This is horrible. I don’t care what feelings are about Li. He is a disgusting being (i’d rather not use the word HUMAN). Whether he likes it or not, he took a life. Whether God told him to or not, he killed someone. He should be locked up for the rest of his life and NEVER allowed out.

    Calgary, AB T2S1A9

  1041. It’s so sickening that Vince is able to get away with this… Obviously hes a sick man because no one in their right mind would do anything of that sort.. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
    My heart goes out to Tims family. And I hope things can change, its not fair!!

  1042. It’s a crime to kill a human being. Is that where it ends? How about now being held accountable for that detestable crime? Why is it that the public can see the absurdity of the ‘law’, but the law makers can’t… or won’t. We should not have to fight so hard to protect ourselves from killers by lobbying to change the law. The law should already be in place and enforced. We should be able to live in peace and not have to worry that our lives are on the line every day because killers are walking free. It’s just common sense that if you kill someone you are put in prison for the rest of your life and in certain cases the death penalty would be most appropriate, in my opinion.

  1043. Vincent Li should not even see the light of day. Since the death penalty is not allowed in our country (which in cases such as this,it should be.Li is know different than a rabid dog and those are put down for societies safety). What he has done to this family as well as extended family and friends should not have ever been toleraterd. Someone/something should have been done. This shows us that our justice system is not all it’s cracked up to be. Damage has been done that can never be undone, but if at least there were some justice being done the family may have something. We should be protecting our young ones and our socity from animals such as this animal. Much lighter crimes have been committed and those people were held responsible for the crime as well as behavior. Yet Vinc Li is somehow become more special then the victims family or even the victim himself. He is not being held resonsible for anything. All we can hope is that he someday he gets his own just rewards for the terrible crimes and sins he has committed. Our justice system needs to take a much closer look at what they are doing, and hopefully the laws change before someone else has to experiance what has been experienced by Tim’s family and friends. God Bless all Tim’s family and our hearts are with you always. RIP

  1044. This man needs to be held in custody for his entire life. No one else should be at risk, ever, because of this person. My heart aches for the de Delley family.

  1045. it`s disturbing and disgusting that Vincent Li is allowed to be out on walks even breathing fresh air common sense dictates that if someone does a crime they do the time do the doctors that decided that Mr.Li was not criminally responsible for this have a few screws loose themselves they are letting a viciouse killer not being held repsonsible for murder that in itself is insane.Insanity does not provide liscense for murder i hope Mr.Li one day rots in hell for what he has done!Tim u were a great human being never stuck for a word but stuck at times for a light eh…nothing worse than having a smoke but no light…..thats why i ad always carried extra lighters on me hate being stuck for a light i hope u are in the light and that Mr.Li will spend the remainder of his days in darkness these laws need to be changed drasticly….RIP

  1046. From Ottawa

    The justice system failed Tim McLean’s family, as it has so many families of murder victims. I truly hope to see change.

  1047. I have also had the common ground of issues with Dr. Yaren regarding my ex husband. My ex husband was treated by Dr. Yaren from 2003-2007 and was ordered to take medication prescribed by Dr. Yaren.
    My ex husband has refused treatment, and in 2007 was found by Dr. Yaren to be fit to parent our 7 year old son. I have dire concerns regarding the treatment of psychiatric patients and the fall through the cracks. To date I have a court hearing in September 2010 regarding the psychiatric assessment Dr. Yaren gave my ex husband allowing his psychopathic and psychopathic tendencies to be untreated.

  1048. PLEASE do not allow Tim’s death to be for not. I can not imagine being the family of Tim. Just watched the Fifth Estate again last nite; how can we possibly believe that Li should EVER be able to walk around as a free man. Then OOPS he does it again, we THOUGHT he was cured. Oh my goodness let’s give our heads a shake.
    Trying to find out more if there ever was an investigation into the actions of the police officers that were present that night. Why did they not use tear gas? Something anything. Yes it was too late to save Tim but did they have to allow him to dismember him?

    So shocked as is everyone much love to Tim’s family and friends. (Hoping the truck driver that stopped to help that fateful night is doing better)

  1049. The punishment should fit the crime, and right now it is even close to any kind of justice that Li gets any freedom as Tim will not be able to enjoy this beautiful life again. It is an outrage that he gains anything after this murder, let alone being able to be outside of a prison cell. The system really let the family and everyone who sends their love and support down by not finding justice for Tim. I really and truly pray and hope that karma brings justice to this situation and Li gets what he deserves.

  1050. I was at band practice all the way in VIC, Australia when i heard about this horrible event. I often think about Tim, and his famiy members and friends. What strong people to go through such an experience. I have been looking up on the case alot since, and the more i read, the more im left wondering, what the hell are they doing over in Canada?? This Li bastard is a Demon!!! He deserves NOTHING, let alone some freedom to walk around. Im not a cruel person, but “Li” deservers to suffer.

    Nothing that hasn’t been said before..

    With love from Australia

  1051. Vince Li SHOULD NOT be allowd to be anywhere but behind bars where he belongs, you say what about his rights……well what about Tim’s right’s…..Tim’s family’s right’s, what about the public’s right’s, who’s to say he will continue taking his medacation, for everyone’s saftey PLEASE DO NOT LET THAT MONSTER OUT, Keep him locked up where he belongs!

  1052. Le should never be let out,because of the horrible murder he commited,and for the safety of the public.

  1053. From beginning of this horrific tale, until now, I have stood behind the family of TIM McLEAN (Carol de Delley and family) in hopes that VINCE LI never sees the light of day. I’m disgusted about the entire case and how eager the review board is to allow Vince outings even if it’s for 15 minutes a day. I know that Canada has a habit of treating the Murdering Mentally ill, as if they have done no wrong because it was the illness that caused them to behave in a certain way! I call Bologna… I’m worried that VINCE LI may walk the streets of Winnipeg in the span of 5 years or less, and this would be a public outrage. I do not want a MURDERER taking the bus with me or my teenage son, or anyone else’s family member. We need to protect our Children from predators such as this. And again I ask, Why was VINCE LI carrying a hunting knife? Does that not show that he may have wanted to use it at some point….! Does that not show that he had some premeditation? IT DOES TO ME!

  1054. I can’t beleieve that we are supporting and paying for Li’s incarceration and subsequent controlled freedom?!What’s wrong with the Review Board Committee’s decision here…supporting the horrific actions of a killer versus supporting the family members who are the real victims here….once again, The House of Commons is slow to respond and order a reversal of this idiotic review. Welcome to Canada!

  1055. This whole story cant be happening? can it? I am amazed at the unjustice in this country….I am suppose to feel sorry for this maniac that should have never been allowed in this country to begin with.. never mind what he has done…. yes he is insane…but he did it!
    As a taxpayer I dont want any of my tax dollars going to support this mad man…he should be deported back to his country and never be able to return.
    Dailey walks… Tim can’t do that…

  1056. Seriously? After this horrendous crime and after all Tim’s family went through, this man gets a vacation at a mental institute only to be released 5 years later? That is absolutely ludicrous, this man deserves the death penalty or life in prison with no parole at LEAST. How can any reasonable person say that this man doesn’t pose a threat to society? He just decapitated a man in public and we’re going to let him roam the streets again… I am outraged and I find this is insulting, there are pot smokers who will do more time in prison than he does! Our laws don’t MAKE ANY SENSE, it’s time to change them. I will seriously reconsider being proud of my Canadian citizenship if this man gets released.

  1057. Our Justice System needs to deal with mental illness crimes more critically than just automatically giving them an insanity sentence where they will be out again to do the same crime in a few years. If criminals have been prescribed medication for a mental illness and they chose to not take this medication they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law the same as the rest of us. We seem to have two sets of laws – on for those with mental illness and one for the rest of us. Mental illness is a devastating afflication but it does not excuse those with the disease from the consequenses of their actions. They could have taken their medication. Its about time out elected officials addressed this problem.

  1058. No he should not be released, who’s to save that he is cured and that he would not do something similiar again

  1059. Toronto, Ontario

    There they go again. What is with these people thinking he is getting better, give him a pass. He should be kept in an institution for the rest of his life, no day pass even with supervision.

  1060. when someone is mentally ill and performs such a heinous act I can appreciate that a criminal sentence would not be appropriate. I also believe that this person should remain in a mental institution until such time as he is deemed “no threat to society”. To offend Tim’s family by suggesting that Li should have day passes with two appropriate guards and that his hallucinations are still present but lessened…OMG…Is his physician so desensitized by the environment that he works in that his perception of acceptable measures to provide public safety is that distorted?….sanity is relative…the more subjected you are to devious and insane behaviour; the more distorted your perception of normal becomes. I am certainly no psychiatrist but I am confident I could make a better decision than this guy! My prayers and heartfelt sympathy go out to Tim’s family

  1061. Mr Li will stand before his maker and YEs will burn in HELL for what he did to Tim ..
    but until then should have to live his life in Prison among all other criminals .. Insanity may be an excuse in the Court System but not in the eyes of any other human being .. He knew what he was doing and will pay the price heavily One Day !

  1062. The system now makes it too easy for someone to get away with murder on the grounds of “not criminally responsible”. If they are deemed well enough to be placed back into society, then they should have to stand trial for their crime.

  1063. Our friend was killed March 20, 2005 and the murderer was also found guilty of first degree murder but held not responsible – every year the family has to go through a review with this criminal in front of them, and every year he is given concessions. The whole purpose of them being in a treatment facility is to make them well enough to go back out into society. They should be held accountable once they are well enough to know what they did. There are no concessions for the family and friends of our murdered friend. This law needs to be rewritten to make sure those criminals are held responsible for their actions.

  1064. With Tims Law, 100%
    R.I.P Tim.

    My name is Angela Stirk, your average height, average weight, but not your average girl. I grew up in a small town and as far as I knew my life seemed pretty normal until one cold morning where events so fake they could only be from a movie, became very real to me.
    It was the 20th of March 2005, early in the morning. Waken by the doorbell around three, I dragged my lazy body out of bed to answer it. On the steps stood a tall slender man of forty. I recognized him. He was the neighbor’s son. His name was Christopher Wright. Little did I know, this name would be wrong for the rest of my life. I pondered why he was awake so early in the morning when I recalled that his father was ill. He must have needed help so I stopped questioning the situation and at the same time he asked me if my dad was around. I replied yes when I heard him coming down the stairs. As I returned to my cozy bed, I glanced up with tired eyes, at the best parent in the world, the most important person in my life and the role model I strive to be like every day.
    Just as I was falling asleep, I heard banging and yelling. Thinking nothing of it, because of a false conclusion I had made, I remained in bed until I heard my dad scream my name. I ran out of my room, not so sluggish this time. I reached the end of the hall and glanced at the bottom of the stairs. The adrenaline began to pump through my body as I saw Chris, machete weapon in hand, standing beside my dad, crumpled and covered in blood. Doing the only thing that I could think of, I ran down the steep stairs faster than I had come out of the bedroom. I placed myself between the two men, much larger than myself. I tried to block his moves, receiving a few gashes in my arms but nothing compared to the ones of my dad. Chris looked at me with the smallest but darkest eyes I have ever seen and said, “I’m sorry Angie, I have to do this, your dad is killing my family.” I had never been so confused because I knew my dad wouldn’t do anything to harm another person, unless he was placed in a situation such as the one I was currently faced with. Knowing that I was not physically strong, I tried to find a way with words, which was not my strong point either. I begged him to stop, still doing my best to defend my father. Not changing his mind I finally admitted, my dad is dead. I assured him that he had completed what he came for so there was no reason to continue. At that moment I sensed a hint of satisfaction in his face as he pushed by me to make his way up the stairs. I thought he was gone until half way up he turned to me and said, “No one will know I was here tonight.” He continued up the stairs and out the front door leaving me to my thoughts.
    Refusing to believe what I had told him, I scrambled to the laundry room for towels leaving bloody footprints to trace my steps. As I returned to the scene my brother and his friend emerged from their hiding place in the basement bathroom. I covered as many bone deep wounds as I could before running to my dad’s bedroom to find his girlfriend. Olwen was cowered in the upstairs bathroom but had only heard and not yet seen the worst of it. I called 911 as she further addressed the wounds. They really do put you on hold. We began CPR, as my brother and his friend stood watching in horror. Blood seeped from his mouth as I carried out the ventilations. I knew this was not promising but I continued on with hope.
    Fifteen minutes dragged on forever and the ambulance finally arrived. They took over, and I broke down. I was done being a “hero.” The sad part is, real life heroes don’t always succeed. On the way to the police station I prayed with everything left in me. My wounds were treated at the hospital and my statement was taken. They took my blood soaked clothes, and told me that I no longer had a daddy. My heart was forever broken. Not the kind of broken that heals, the kind that sits in the back of your mind, sometimes in the front, for the rest of your life.
    In the end the killer, was crazy. Schizophrenia saved him from a life sentence. My inner strength saved me from insanity. Sympathy is not what I seek. A true understanding of who I am and where I come from is what I look for. That night, my life was given a second chance on a first chance that I was perfectly satisfied with. Realizing that I may never get another one, I have vowed to live the life I want by putting my soul into everything I do. In an unfortunate situation where true values show through I conclude this story as an honest sum of both my strengths and weaknesses.

    Update: less than 5 years later
    Chris Wright has the right to travel to public places as he wishes for up to ten hours at a time accompanied by his mother. He has not responded to treatment and continues to show no remorse.

    Insane or not, no one should get away with murder.

  1065. Criminal acts are criminal acts no matter whether the person is diagnosed mentally ill, they should be kept out of the general public, in treatment if necessary.
    I feel very insecure knowing people who have committed criminal acts are among us simply because they are mentally ill.

  1066. Mr.Li should have to be made to stay locked up for the rest of his pathetic life. Why would they let him out to re-offend again? Thats ridiculous, that’s the Canadian Justice system for ya. Keep Li and people like him in custody for good so that others aren’t at risk. Its just common sense!

    I support Tims Law!!!

  1067. I’m frightened by the prospect of dangerous people such as Vincent Li wondering the streets. Our system is not equipped to monitor his daily activites (ie. whether or not he decides to take his meds). The government is doing Tim and the public a great dis-service by potenially setting this man free in 5 years.

  1068. Derek Scherbain, Winnipeg Manitoba, R2W 0W9

    Even if this guy is “mentally ill”, I do not find it acceptable to let a person back into society, who can snap at any moment and do something like this. I don’t care what kind of “treatment” Vince Li has undergone or not undergone. When this happened he was, apparently, any other normal person. So what is to say he doesn’t have a breakdown 5 years from now. Vince Li’s current “punishment” is not what I expect from Canada. Lock him up and throw away the key.

  1069. In my opinion, Li needs to stay in an institution indefinitely..he could re offend if he goes off his medicine

  1070. This man should never ever see the light of day again. This was not the first time he went off of his meds and what is to say he will not go off of them again. We cannot take the chance that another precious life or maybe more will be taken by this man again once he is “Cured”. The chance cannot and should not be taken. If he is not in a secure mental hospital for the rest of his days then he should be put in a maxium security prison where he will never get out. Or maybe he should move in with the doctor or doctors and their family who say that he is cured and live with him 24/7/365 to make sure he is not a threat to the public, I am sure they certainly would refuse that idea because they would not want to put their families in danger.

  1071. A. Gislason Ashern, MB R0C0E0

    Tim should not have lost his life and no family should be going through what Tim’s family has.

  1072. A. Gislason Asherm, MB R0C0E0

    Tim should not have lost his life and no family should be going through what Tim’s family has.

  1073. We as canadians need to set a precedence for the families of these types of victims
    (Tim’s family). The law needs to be changed or else these tragedies will keep on and people will keep getting away with murder. An innocent life was taken. A mother no longer has a son. If Li is not criminally responsible than who is going to take the blame? The government? I don’t think so, so show us as citizens that this can and will be preventable by changing the way the “NCR’s” are dealt with. If these types of criminals can commit such brutal acts on another human being they should never again be allowed back into society. I feel very empty for the family of Tim if Li is released. I hope they can find some sort of peace knowing that if the government isn’t going to stand by them, that there are people out there that will.
    R.I.P Tim.

  1074. I am sorry Li is mentally ill, but he should definitely never be free to possibly repeat this horrendous crime.

  1075. I’d sign the papers for capital punishment, these people dont need any help at all, they need death to sort thier problems!
    As far as i m concerned, jail is way to nice for a man like that, im thinking something like a pressure chamber under the water some place with a few small leaks!

  1076. A life was taken. The person who commited this act should be punished. Since Li committed this crime it should be Li that pays for HIS crime (NCR or not). Tim doesn’t get a second chance, why should Li. Li’s should be rotting in a prison ward not a hospital ward. His time in prison should be for the murder of a fellow human being, not a pleasant stay at one of Canadas medical facilities.

    Come on, all you, who make laws to protect the innocent. Don’t allow Li (or persons like Li) to slip through a hole to freedom that he does not deserve.

  1077. I am not sure if I am signing this petition.. I am trying to.. This is what I want to do.. Mental Illness is not an excuse.. Not an acceptable excuse.. 5 years.. that is insulting..

  1078. I read in the newspaper today that Li might get released from treatment in under 5 years…who can feel safe knowing there are psychos like him being allowed to run loose?

  1079. Toronto, Ontario

    Sorry for your loss. The sick bastard who did it should be put down, slowly and painfully. It’s disgusting how the Canadian judicial system is so weak. He should never be let out, he will do it again. And if he doesn’t ever do it again he still doesn’t deserve to live like the rest of us for the atrocity he committed. I read the story in todays newspaper and it truly angered me. My deepest condolences go out to your family.

  1080. Mr. Li should NEVER be released from a mental institute… Anyone capable of such a monstrous act on another human being should not ever be free in our society regardless of any so-called “EXPERT” opinion of any psychiatrist!!!

  1081. I can’t believe that he takes a life and only gets 5 years. He deserves life! Our laws need to be re-examined!!!!

    Ottawa, Ontario

  1082. Ottawa, ON, K1G 2W7

    I cannot believe he could be released in 5 years. I don’t care what the reasoning behind those actions were, anyone who does something like that should not have freedom or be in society whatsoever.

  1083. Mike O’Brien
    Ste Rose Manitoba
    R0L 1S0
    bigwaymike@yahoo.ca
    I love Canada but I hate our “justice” system. Obviously the guy is sick but it is just as obvious that he should never be free. If the decision makers were the victims they would look at things differently.

  1084. I read in the paper that Vince Li could be released within the next 5 years as he is “making progress more quickly than is considered usual”.

    This is absolutely unacceptable.

    Vince Li should be punished for the life that he stole from Tim McLean. He is responsible for his actions when he did not receive medical help prior to the death of Tim. He should continue to receive treatment from inside a jail, not released to the general public. He needs to be detained indefinitely before he steals the life of another, and to help Tim’s family grieve this senseless murder….

    Stay strong Carol de Delley. You are an inspiration.

    Toronto, ON

  1085. The courts say you are not criminally responsible because you have a mental illness – i believe once you have been deemed sane again because of taking meds then that “insane” person who is now “sane” should be sent to prison to serve a sentence for murder. Anybody can claim insanity or “moment of insanity” in this day and age. My heart goes out the Tim’s family and certainly hope Tim’s Law becomes a reality very very soon.

  1086. It’s a sad day in Canada, where someone could be aloud to be free after taking someones life in such horrific fashion, I’d sleep much better knowing this man is where he belongs, inside a metal facillity for the rest of his years, don’t care of the cost to my wallet as the cost to society could be detrimental.
    What about our (the public) mental wellbeing?
    Calgary, Alberta

  1087. The legal system is not perfect. It takes great strength to overcome such a tragedy and great determination to change the flawed legal system. You have my support!

  1088. Too many “special interest” groups have hijacked the legal system for too long. It’s time to make the sentence of life in prison mean just that.

  1089. Russell, MB
    R0J1W0

    If Li really does suffer from schizophrenia, there is only *treatment* available, yet no cure.

    The seriousness and severity of his crime should be reflected by form of punishment; not by rehabilitation.

  1090. What’s to stop this guy from stopping his meds once he’s free, and reverting back to insane.
    Winnipeg, MB R3R 1L9

  1091. Winnipeg
    R2G3M2

    RIP Tim.
    My condolences to his family.
    No excuse for what Vince Li did, we need capital punishment. Time to take out the trash.

  1092. I am in favour for the humane lifelong incarceration of people who have committed atrocities, but are found not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

  1093. They should have shot him when he asked to be shot. It would save the tax payers money and to get out in 5 years is crazy.
    As a mother I could no imagine what she must be going through.

  1094. Winnipeg, MB

    R2G 0M2

    It is scary to know how close to me all this happened. I know people who know Tim, he was family and a friend to them. A beautiful life was cut short. R.I.P

  1095. Criminals belong in Prisons.
    These People need to be in a mental institution, as these people need help and not to be further tormented

  1096. Feb 6, 2010
    Halifax, NS

    I watched the documentary…and was completely horrified that the police sat idly by, while this tragedy was occurring.
    Why did they not shoot him??
    Where is the justice in this situation??
    Its outrageous!

  1097. What do say to someone who has had such a tradegy?
    May God be with you and may Justice finally be served.

    Edmonton

  1098. truly sad, somethings gotta be done to give justice to families with loved ones. Regardless of a mental defect… wheres the justice?

  1099. Eye for an Eye. Throw him in a pit with savage dogs and let them eat their way out. We don’t need this animal in our world. He is a monster and a risk to society. Those who believe he “did not know what he was doing” can join him. How can someone do such a thing and not know? Can people really “black out” and commit such a violent murder? B.S. Never let this creature breath our air or walk this world again… it is not a right, its a privilage, one he does not deserve. Burn in hell Li along with those willing to give you a chance.

  1100. This monster should never see day light again! If he is ever be released, residents all over Canada should make his life a living hell, and torture him until he flees back to China because he will surely do it again.
    why wouldn’t he be responsible for such a cold blooded crime??? he also had intention of killing someone and that’s why he was armed with a knife and scissors.
    How is it that no one tried to stop him?
    How is it that no one tried to help Tim?
    It is safe to say that Tim lost his life so that the rest of the people on the bus could live because it could have been anyone of them.
    Why didn’t the police shoot this monster when they were watching him mutilating the body?
    Was this supposed to be a horror movie?
    Why is the killer living on tax payers dollars?
    I cant find answers to these questions
    To Tim’s family and friends, my deepest sympathy to you, I support you 100% and I support Tim’s law 100%

  1101. He is ultimately responsible
    He is responsible for his mental health
    He is resposible for not taking his medication
    He is resposible for deceiving others
    He is responsible for not seeking help
    He is responsible for not taking treatment
    He is responsible for not telling other’s about his voices
    He is resposible not his demon’s or the devil
    He must be consider a dangerous offender for the rest of his life
    he is dangerous to the public at large
    He can not be trusted

  1102. Manitoba. R0K 0H0

    I agree that he had a problem and he may not have really “known” what he was doing, however I also truly and strongly believe that the doctors should give him help, BUT be locked up for the rest of his life, and never let out.

    >It pains me to think that this happened only 45 minutes away from where I live and how many times I have ridden a greyhound bus into Winnipeg.In the news stories when you hear about “their last stop at a gas station in a small town” —- that gas station is literally 2 and a half blocks from my town- in a safe and happy community.Everytime I drive down that highway (which is alot) I think about it and the McLean family.

  1103. (1) “What the judge said is he is not criminally responsible,…(2)BUT, he is responsible for this crime, and I have seen no one deny this fact.”

    Only in the realm of law can those two statements be seen as different.

  1104. I understand many people have mental illnesses but to have somebody this ill and deranged given the chance to once again be on our streets is unacceptable. I cannot even imagine the pain this mother has had to endure!

  1105. hang this guy, why bother with him costing us money and risking our safety. Cmon. Tim didnt get a second chance why would he. Major mental illness. lock him up for good and subject him to test after test.

  1106. Unbelievable that this is even an issue that requires a petition. Society must be protected from this kind of person and the strongest possible message must be sent to all these radicals that mental problems or not, their freedom is forever gone when they commit this kind of act.

  1107. A Life for a Life!!! Even if the death penalty does not exsist in canada, there is no way this person should ever be free!! There is no God that would tell a person to kill another person. I am not a religious person but, and correct me if I am wrong, isn’t one of the ten commandments “THOW SHALT NOT KILL”. This man was not listening to God, instead he was listening to his own mind and he acted on it. This makes him personal responsible for his own actions thus he is criminally responsible!! He should serve the remainder of his natual life behind the iron cage!!
    A LIFE FOR A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  1108. I think it is disgusting what this so said human being did to another human being. I also feel that he should not be put out into the general public to re offend, and kill someone else. He is a threat to humanity and should be locked up behind bars for the rest of his natural disgusting life. If the Canadian justice system lets him out, they should expect him to murder again, and if this happens, they (the justice system) should be held accountable.

  1109. This issue is a complex one. As the Chief Justice of Canada (justice of the Supreme Court of Canada at the time), “In every society there are those who commit criminal acts because of mental illness. The criminal law must find a way to deal with these people [page638] fairly, while protecting the public against further harms. The task is not an easy one.”

    While I do greatly sympathize with the profound injustice experienced by the Mclean family, I am unable to support their position.

    An individual who is unable to appreciate the nature the nature and quality of his or her actions or unable to appreciate the “wrongness” of his or her act is exempt from criminal responsibility. Such an individual is not deterred from committing violent crimes as are most average citizens.

    As a person who works in the criminal justice system I can say that the review board does not take their mandate in protecting the public lightly. In fact they tend to be overly cautious.

    The notion of detaining NCR accused for a minimum period is not only ineffective, but unconstitutional.

  1110. I believe the law has to be changed. It is not fair that he will be a free man, and will have no record that this ever happened. Saying god made him do it yeah right, give me another bullshit story.

  1111. This guy should never see another day behind bars, if he is that much of a danger it shouldn’t even be a question

  1112. If he gets out it would show just how upside down our court systems are. Everyone becomes some type of victim, when there not.

  1113. How could this happen? How can Vince not be responsible? Put him away forever. My heart goes out to Tims family.

  1114. I can’t even think of why the courts would even think of letting this son of a bitch out they should make life a living hell for this guy. I pray for the family of Tim.

  1115. This was truly horrific, and this guy who did it should never be released from jail because he’ll obviously do it again or something just as bad.

    My best wishes to the family and friends.

  1116. even to this day, it hurts, this is every mothers worst nightmare… but 10 times worse.

    I hope this man gets what he deserves… I think the same sentence he put on the late Tim McLean should be done to him.

  1117. I only hope that this man never sees freedom for killing Tim McLean on the bus in 2008. He needs to be kept away from all society.

  1118. i watched this on the Fifth Estate twice. my prayers go out to his family and friends.
    as for Vincent Li not being criminally responsible…that’s humiliating. i guess that means there’s something wrong with Canadas justice system.
    R.I.P Tim. <3

  1119. Words Can Never Describe how I Feel On Thia topic… Once I astarted I Prob Wont Want To Stop… So Much Went Wrong And Unjustified, But My Heart and thoughts are going out to the family, surviver’s and anyone having to deal with this tragic event! I Support This Petition 100%!!!!!! Good Luck, Maybe our Conutry and government will Take the advice of many canadians to change some aspects of the justice system…For The Better!!!!!

  1120. This law has to be changed this is crazy. RIP Tim. Thoughts and prayers to your family. Lets get this law enforced

  1121. I have had a brother who was murdered. I was 15 when it happened and am 48 now. I offer any help that i can. I have lived with a tragedy that happened many years ago for me. If there is anything i can do (beyond $ cos i have few) i would LOVE to help. Anyone dealing with this i am glad to help any way that i can. Please contact me about anything i can do. Honestly yours.
    Kevin

  1122. Jenn and I worked with tim over that summer, lots of our friends got to know him and loved him with all there hearts as they will continue to, our thoughts are with you!! as for vince li, the man should be behind bars where he belongs not in a phsyc ward!!

  1123. Prayers for Tim’s family and friends. I was sick to my stomach after watching the Fifth Estate last night and have not been able to think of anything else since…I give my support and have been telling others about this tragedy in hopes that they too will support Tim’s Law!

  1124. I am behind you and your mission to enact Tims Law 110%. Vince Li is a monster right out of our worst nightmare. If he gets released and does what he did to Tim to someone else, then who are we to blame? Something must be done for not only Tims memory , but for anyone else who may fall victim to Vince Li or someone like him. Thank you for Tims Law and I pray that it becomes the new way things get done…

  1125. I watched the Fifth Estate tonight. I wish I could do something to help the family of Tim. Signing this petition is the least I can do. My heart bleeds for you and Tim and all the others who are still suffering from this horrifying event. If this sick person gets to walk the streets before he’s 75, then I’m no longer a Canadian. I’m so sorry for your loss.

    M. Rafuse, B.C.

  1126. I just watched the Fifth Estate…breaks my heart. You had a beautiful, lovable son. He will never be forgotten by many people! I give you 150% of my support in Tim’s Law. Li will do it again-he MUST be put away for life.
    I can’t imagine the pain and suffering you have experienced, losing your sweet son. Please know that people from all over the world are sending you love, strength and support.
    Lots of love to you and to Tim’s lovely soul. RIP Tim xx

  1127. I support Tim’s law that monster needs to stay locked up. All our sympathy to the family
    Fredericton, New Brunswick

  1128. Canada owes this family – the people on that bus owe the family – if we cannot rely on protection from police 24 hours a day – it is crucial that we look out for each other.

    That piece of garbage, LI, should be exterminated and SLOWLY….if possible.

  1129. I am in California- I think about your son often, and try to complete random acts of kindness in honor of his memory. I am so saddened to discover that his killer was not punished for his crime. Know that even many miles away, your son has not been forgotten.

  1130. Open up the Mental Health Institutions again!! ENough of my taxes are going to the wrong places!! What about Tim & his family’s Human Rights!! WHat about mine?? Vince Li should definitely be held accountable in spite of the voices!! Government really need to stop the madness!! Enough with the bleeding heart theory!!

  1131. Of course they’re going to let Li out, this is Canada, that’s what they do in Canada.

    Bleeding hearts are the majority here. Well I’m no bleeding heart. let’s not even mention the fact that immigration let the psycho into the country to begin with.

    I used to see Tim on the Midway all the time, a good looking kid with his whole life ahead of him.

    Robbed of it by that psycho. Anyone that would make any excuse for him….would have to be a mental case. There is no excuse for people like him….none.

    Any other country he’d be sitting in the electric chair. Not in Canada though.

  1132. Unbelieveable. Can’t see how a guy like this could ever be put back into society. Should be locked away. If there was the death penalty, here would be a good case for it.

  1133. I was horrified, along with all Canadians, and my heart goes out to you for your devestating loss. This total crap that is going on in the justice system has to be stopped. From juvinile defendants to the pain of this case, things have to change and change radically and quickly. I have lived in three countries and have never have seen such slack laws and penalties. Seems the justice system has no teeth – and this NCR law is pure rubbish. He was criminally responsible for his life before this happened and responsible for taking his meds, he can’t have it both ways. Anything I can do to help the cause in alberta please let me know. God bless you and keep you safe.

  1134. My heart goes out to Tim’s family, friends and those unfortunate souls who had to witness this evil act. I fully support Tim’s Law – come on Canada! let do the right
    thing. Enough with the boohoo about mental illness, the abuse excuse and all the rest of the nonsense we tollerate. Lock this evil sob up FOREVER and every other EVIL person who knowingly takes an innocent life. Is there a petition posted anywhere
    that I, and my entire family could sign in
    support of Tim’s Law? (and we are a BIG family with zero tollerance of such horrific acts.)

    Karla B
    Nelson, BC

  1135. My heart is forever with the family of Timand as well for each person who witnessed and endured the horror. Li is not rehabable and if so for only a short time as long as he is forced to take his meds. The Mental Health Act makes provisions for those to have the right to refuse care, and as a nurse the amount of Mental Health patients that come through a medical unit for mental health reasons is downright pathetic. They aren’t rehabable.

  1136. you guys should consider a physical petition in the old fashioned pen and paper way. The internet is too fickle.

    Don’t give up on your goal! Get a table and make a banner and sit at the forks or the parks and collect names. People will rally to you, I’m sure of it!

  1137. My heartfelt thoughts go out to the family of this young man I wish you all the best in dealing with this tragedy and may you one day find peace.

    As for Mr. Li I agree with the majority of those who have posted before me, I don’t care how sick he is he took a life and for that he does not deserve the freedom of his own he should be buried beneath the prison…

    May the wind be ever at your back Tim, Rest in peace.

  1138. This don’t make no damn sense. Why people gotta act like this? It is so unnecessasry! I hate the way this case was ruled, “not criminally responsible”… well then who the hell is, we all seen footage and there are eyewitness’. FRY his ass and the dumb as judge and others who are on that side. I remember this story headline from last year and i just came across somthing on AOL a few minutes ago. This just makes me so damn mad. TO the family… i dunno what you believe but i will keep you in my prayers and have a prayer to find some justice in this matter.

  1139. I am in complete agreement with Tim’s Law being passed.
    This incedent was not an icolated one, this man is obviously unstable and should be kept in whatever sort of institution deemed acceptable to house him.
    All sympathy goes out to the family of this young victim.
    Things like this should not happen. they should also not be things that people are able to get away with.

  1140. I am in FULL support and agreement in the passing of Tim’s Law. This very special law NEEDS to be passed as an immediate change in the legal system is not only needed and necessary, but it is vital for the overall betterment and protection of society as a whole, for all families and future generations to prevent such a dispicable crime from ever happening again. I have thought for many years that the Canadian legal system was far too lenient on criminals in general, but primarily, those who comitt heinous acts of senseless violence. I am very sorry for your loss and my heart,thoughts and prayers go out to you, all of your family and friends.

  1141. I am in FULL support of Tim’s Law, you have my complete support and I sincerely hope that Tim’s Law is passed. I have thought for many years that the Canadian legal system is far too lenient on criminals in gereneral, but mostly those who comitt heinous acts of senseless violence. I am very sorry for your loss and my heart, thoughts and prayers go out to Tim, you, your family and friends.

  1142. I am in absolute FULL agreement with Tim’s Law and you have my complete support. I have thought for many years that the Canadian laws have been much too lenient on criminals who comitt such violent crimes and it’s time that the system drastically changes on ALL levels with severe penalities for these “individuals”. I am so very sorry for your loss and my heart and prayers go out to you, your family & friends.

  1143. Just goes to show you how disgustingly flawed our juricatic system is. My heart goes out to the McLean family and hope that they may find justice.

  1144. I support Tim’s Law in it’s fullest!!! Carol you are an amazingly strong woman and I commend you for your fight!! Tim was too good a man to go forgotten. His name will live on with his fight.
    Tim was my friend and he will be forever missed.

  1145. I believe that Li getting away with murder was NOT the way our legal system should work. Murder is murder, whether you’re sane or not. Tim’s Law is what little we, as the public, can do. I was appalled when I heard about Tim’s death. I even have a friend of a friend who served Tim at a gas station, and he said he was the nicest person. Li had no reason to take Tim from us, and using God as an excuse is just plain sick but not surprising, coming from Li himself.
    I believe Tim’s Law should be put into our legal system!

  1146. My heart goes out to you, your family and friends. I understand the loss you feel. Years ago, my brother was brutally murdered in Edmonton. This murderer killed 11 people across Canada and the U.S. before he was caught. For this, he received 25 years, how can the justice system even possibly think that this sentence would justify the loss to the 11 lives, not to mention the loss to the families and friends of the deceased.

    Our justice system needs to be changed.

    My deepest sympathy to you and yours.

  1147. I am horrofied that our criminal law can be so corrupted. It is insane to be able to begin understanding on how it works. Who can make a dificult dicision on to let this monster walk or be locked for the rest of his life (for that I mean till he dies). For Tim’s family stay strong and keep fighting for him, because he has you to do the fighting for his justice now. One day Mr. Li will meet the Higher for his justice. God bless.

  1148. Just a suggestion, you should consider going on the OPRAH show to gain awareness to this situation as she has millions of viewers. My heart goes out to you and your family. NO ONE should ever have to experience this ever!

  1149. I don’t live in Canada and I never met Tim McLean, but I think what happened to him was very wrong. The person responsible for his murder deserves a life in prison. A life so young, cut short for no reason at all. In the next few days, I will be starting a Petition, to keep the animal that killed Tim, locked up! That animal does not deserve to walk the streets anymore, that right was taken from him when he took Tim’s life. My sympothy goes out to the family in this time of lose.

  1150. Olivia,
    I have worked in the field of Mental Health Services for over 25 years. I have encountered many people who either refuse to access services or feel that they do not need help when they in fact do. At that point, when one is deemed a danger to themselves of others, they can be taken in for treatment involunarily. What I encounter now far more is that when people need help they are the least likely to ask for it. Crisis Units will not come and assess a person unless they themselves call and ask for help. Sadly they either can not or will not. I can not see where you can say that large numbers of people do not have equal access to help.
    There are thousands of people in Canada who have mental illnesses and those illnesses include depression, anxiety based, mood and eating disorders as well as schizophrenia, personality disorders and bi polar disorders. When one has an illess they need to comply with treatment. I do.
    I wish to address your point about Evil. Evil were the acts that Mr Vincent Li did to Tim McLean, that were unprovoked. He committed terrible acts to Tim and his body. To cut up and eat parts of his body was EVIL. A mental illness did not do that to Tim . Vincent Li did those acts himself and he had the forethought enough to carry a knife on a Greyhound Bus.
    This website is not evil. It is attempting to shed light on several issues which have been brushed aside. Primarily is the whole issue of why the instution in Ontario has never been held accountable for why Mr.Li walked away from that hospital after a short stay and then chose not to comply with his medication. Why was he not followed up? Why in the end has Vincent Li become a victim here and Tim McLean brushed aside if not for his mother’s voice?
    Finailly you are in grave error if you think that Carol DeDelley views herself as better than anyone else. For you see, she will tell you that she has already lost everything. And when I heard her say that to me my heart broke. The fact that now nearly one year to day that Tim was murdered she has to come and defend herself against personal attacks because she is trying to speak for her son, is really a sad irony that should not be happening in Canada.

  1151. Oh my god!Olive!Give your head a shake! No one is putting down people with mental illness. Any human being on this eart6h should know right from wrong when it it comes to ending some one elses life!!!!!!!!!!!! You say most crimes are committed by normal people? Anyone who decides to end someones life for no reason at all,unless it is self defence, is not normal.Man, i am close to swearing here..lol. You have got to be kidding me with your long depressing post.Do you think about running out and killing someone?If you do, do us all a favor and end it now. You arent normal.Does mental illness mean you want to be, or are, a murderer or a rapist or an abuser? I wouldnt think so, but you tell me.How can people show no compassion for what they are doing to another person?Or their family and friends? Or the community?People who hurt people are not normal!!Attacking someone while they are sleeping? Are you defending vice li? If so. Kill yourself now. If you defending the murderer of Tori stafford, killyourself now please. Cuz you are a freak and a misfit too.

  1152. Is this where I sign the petition for Tim’s Law? I will tell others so that they can sign, too. My heart goes out to Tim’s family: I’m so sorry and can’t imagine your terrible loss. How awful that it should be made even worse by the lack of punishment for the offender. That guy needs to go away for good! He needs to not ever see the light of day again. The story of what happened was so scary- I read it on the PYSIH website and it offered the link to this page. I’ll sign anything and offer my support for Tim’s Law in any way that I can. My prayers and thoughts to Tim’s family- you have a lot of support from all of us who learn of this story. His suffering and death will NOT be in vain!

  1153. It is essential that society be protected from people who will not self-medicate. The severely ill may not be responsible for their actions when in a psycotic state, but they are responsible for not taking their medication.

    We must protect ourselves. A known murderer, who has refused to take medication in the past, must never be free.

  1154. I think it is horrible, disgusting, disturbing and awful that this man used an illness to get away with a crime that is beyond description – he should be in jail no matter what forever! I’m so sorry for your pain.

  1155. I heard about this site on the Roy Green show. Why do those who govern have no common sense? Alas its seems it all comes down to that…dollars and cents. Sad that our safety is ruled by the all mighty dollar. My dollars can be spent keeping people like this out of the general population.

    Debbie Jans
    London, Ontario

  1156. Dear Olive; Thanks for your comments Let me try to answer some of your concerns. I am not proposing that all people with mental illness are evil or that they should all be locked up. I believe that when they have commited MURDER they need to be locked up to keep the rest of society safe, never given the opportunity to repeat the behavior that they are obviously unable to control. I believe Canada needs to build a facility to house the Criminally Insane because I don’t believe they belong in a penitentary where they most certainly would be killed, nor should they be in a Mental hospital where other individuals with mental illnesses are seeking treatment. There are a large number of people with mental illness who have committed no crime and they are some of the most vulnerable of society, why should they be housed with a criminally insane and dangerous person. Evil defined is morally bad,wrong or wicked and charaterized by sorrow,So yes I believe Mr Li is an evil doer. When can you be assured that you will have access to timely affordable treatments responsive to your specific needs??I have NO IDEA. Apparently after an horrific murder there is no end to the help and treatment the offender receives, but his living victims(all those who witnessed this particular carnage) are completely disregarded by the system and are on their own to seek and pay for their therapy to cope. Early detection, intervention and treatment is absolutely necessary to prevent this type of situation from happening again.
    I have never claimed to be better than anybody else and I’m certainly not always right, that being said murder is WRONG, regardless of race, religion, financial status, political status and yes.. mental state. Murder is WRONG on a very fundamental and human level.
    How does having mental illness have anything to do with your rights?? The government says “Very disturbed individuals” have the right and the responsibilty for their own care treatment and medication, Society cannot infringe upon those rights by forcing an individual into treatment or to take medication. SO that being said, why is it that once this “disturbed individual” is non compliant with meds and walks away from care, and does something like this, the same government now tries to tell me this individual is NOT RESPONSIBLE!! What about an innocent human beings right to ride on public transportation with out fear of having his head cut off, eyes and heart eaten and body mutialated so badly it took 24 hours to be able to notify his family?

    You talk about “unfair, unjust, discriminatory”… You and others with mental illness and the psychiatric community, try to make me feel bad about being angry that the systems have failed us, and I mean all of us, You, Me, Mr Li and most of all.. my beautiful son. I believe your anger and frustration is being wrongly directed at me and my family. We’re not the ones who failed you.

  1157. As someone with a mental health condition, this website is depressing.

    Very, very depressing.

    Understand that I want to respect a family who is mourning the tragic death of their son under extremely unusual circumstances. However, given the nature of what is being “discussed” on this site, I find I can’t keep my mouth shut, and since the family has opened the door on a public discussion on this matter in a public forum, I shall walk through it. (Thank you for the invitation!)

    Mostly I have some questions:

    Why do call me evil? Are you evil? If you are, when? Under what conditions are YOU evil? Is mental illness evil? Is illness in general evil? Why? Why not?

    Is denying a large group of people equal access to health care evil? If this isn’t evil, then what do we call it? Unfair? Unjust? Discriminatory?

    What are “people like that” or “people like him?” Can you explain what is meant by that? And who are you and “people like you,” for that matter? Are you different from me, somehow? Better, maybe? Because you are “normal?”

    Why are you “collecting” stories of persons with mental illness who have committed crimes? Do you understand that this type of crime (as a result of) mental illness is very rare? Do you understand that reporters develop their stories based on “if it bleeds it leads” media marketing philosphy?

    Do you know that more people are murdered, raped, and repeatedly abused by the “normal” people they know and love? Did you know that 1/3 of all homicides are committed by a family member and that 1/2 of homicides are committed by an acquaintance? Do you understand that you would be hurt or killed, most likely, by someone you know or love?

    Do you know that people with mental illness are eight times more likely to be robbed, 15 times more likely to be assaulted, and 23 times more likely to be raped than was the general population? Do I have reason to fear you, given these stats? Should this give me reason to take away your rights, so that I can protect myself from YOUR brand of evil?

    How is this website and the related comments not hate-speech?

    Why are your rights more important than mine?

    Why does having a mental illness immediately preclude any concept of justice?

    Why are you invariably right, as someone without illness? Why am I invariably wrong, as someone with illness?

    When can I be assured that I will have access to timely, affordable treatments that are responsive to my needs?

    Do you understand that “evil” and what things are “evil” is subjective? I could ask, why does this *evil* website exist? Do you understand that I can use that word with equal subjectivity to describe the nature of the content on this website?

    Can you answer any of these questions?

    Please answer them. I want to know why you’re a better person, and why I’m so bad. Give me reasons. Good, sound reasons.

  1158. Why in the hell do we continue to house and rehabilitate criminals that have commited horrific crimes in the first place? If these murderers are 100% guilty, without the slightest inkling of doubt, then they should just be executed immediately!! Why spend tax dollars on these misfits of society? Why is it so terrible to take a life for a life? Why are so many people opposed to capital punishment? Yes , vince lee is obviously one sick individual.Does he need help? Obviously he did, and does now but sorrrrryyyy. Its too late. You took a life and yours should be taken as well. End of story.If someone murdered my 8 yr old daughter the same way little Tori Stafford in Woodstock Ontario was just murdered, i would do whatever i could to blow this guy away.Whether it meant me trying to murder him in the courtroom somehow, some way….i would do it.If it meant that i would have to spend the rest of my life in jail for killing him, or getting shot myself, then so be it. I am just devastated right now over the Tori Stafford case. Ive shed a tear a few times now and i didnt even know her. I live 20 minutes down the highway from where it happened, so i understand the pain the whole community is going thru where Tim lived, let alone the family of Tim. I just finished listening to the roy green show and Carol i commend you for taking part. I know that capital punishment will never come back,so at the very least we have to keep theses freaks locked up forever…….

  1159. I my heart goes to you and you family .. I hope you get everything that will help and make him locked up forever..

  1160. I am sorry for your loss, I recently lost a loved one way too early in life.

    I hope the evil person responsible is never released

  1161. June 8,2009 at 21:44 Hrs.

    I believe that Li should never see the light of day, together we can make a difference, the laws need to be changed for all those who murder….

  1162. Lets all make sure that this law is passed and Li never sees the light of day again.

    I too, am nobody, let all make a difference!

    Ida

  1163. i believe that this person Li has to be at least locked up for a very long time for what he did, how would they know that he won’t do it again if he’s let out !!!
    also, what is the justice if he out in a few years !!!!

  1164. Totally agree with the idea behind Tims’s Law.

    One suggestion – how about a form that users type comments into, hit a button, and the comments are automatically forwarded to the email addresses of all those politicians you have listed?

  1165. The following question was submitted by a person who signed the petition:

    May I ask who James is? Why isn’t Tim’s mothers name on here? It DOES NOT look good!!!!! Just my opinion. She’s been on the radio across Canada talking about her son. Why is her name NOT on this Petition????? Sorry. Does Not look good at all, “JAMES”. Whoever you are!!!!!

    As the admin of this site I will provide an answer. James is the script developer of the petition… he wrote the code!

    Tim’s mother is very much involved with this site… Carol de Delley has, and continues to work tirelessly promoting Tim’s Law…

    She is not alone… we support Carol’s efforts on behalf of her son who no longer has his own voice..

    We appreciate, and are thankful for donations from those who support this cause.. 100% goes to the foundation set up by Tim’s mother to promote the enactment of a Tim’s law.. The donation button goes directly to The de Delley Foundation for Life

    Please help Carol in her effort… by signing the petition, spreading the word on your blog, sending a tweet on twitter, talking about the need for Tim’s Law with your friends… or financially if you are so inclined by sending a donation..

    Tim’s voice has been silenced… our voice will be heard because his can not..

    Hope this alleviates the concern… now help us promote the enactment of Tim’s Law

    David McKendrick
    I am nobody.. but I can make a difference

    http://www.timslaw.ca/awareness/

  1166. My names Jamielynn and i believe this man should NOT be let out in the open, where others are in danger because if he has taken the life of a boy already what would be stopping him from doing it again? He sounds like a sick man, what civil person eats parts of a boys face after decapitating him that is so wrong, and for someone to even think twice about letting him out into the open isn’t safe. And i also think it is very pathetic if us as canadian citizens do not get to no if he is let loose because we have the right to no if we are in danger , even though he is a patient and it however is confidential according to the law but we realy all should no because now if we find out he is let go into the community what person in the right mind is going to want to go on the bus? Not to many because he could do this again. It’s very tragic and i feel this man needs help. The authority will put you in jail for robbing a store but they think twice about letting a stone cold killer out into the open…? That is so wrong.
    This is my opinion and I can’t stress it enough.
    *Rest in peace Tim.

  1167. i am 14 years old and im i n favor of tims law – becouse people are considering letting mr.Li out into the sociaty among the public
    you must consider the saftey of the people the fact tht people are considering letting him out is sickening i do not belive he should have these rights without even a 8 month trial run among a sociaty to prove that he has changed his ways and has been getting help this is an outrage a mother has lost her son in the most traggic way i feel for her this is deeply wrong im disapointed in those who want him let out

    ***R.I.P***(TIM)

  1168. I meant Murderers Protection Program. Who on earth in their right mind created such a thing???

  1169. Carol,
    Please don’t ever give up. I see another terrible miscarriage of Justice in that Mr. Li has joined a Murders Protection Program.
    It makes me sick to think that his rights are considered at all. He should have lost them all the day he murdered Tim. Changes are needed desperately here on several levels. I love you and will always stand behind your voice,
    Heather

  1170. Thank-you for your kind remarks. I’am the only voice that my baby boy has now. I am getting on with my life, its just that its different now. More purposeful I suppose. My government will let him out one day they always do, that is why I’m pushing forward with this. I have nothing to make amends for, making amenments to the criminal code to ensure the safety of many others in the future is what makes sense of my boys death. These changes won’t happen by themselves and thats where I come in but I’m just one person I need the support of those who feel that these changes are needed Again thank you for your kind words Sincerely; Carol de Delley

  1171. Carol , my heart goes out to you my darling and I just cannot think of the right words to say to you apart from I feel sure Tim wouldn’t want you to spend the rest of your life trying to make amends. Carol with all of my heart I need you to know you must get on with your life and truly my darling Vince Li will suffer forever for this crime . Your baby boy needs you to get on with your life and your government need to know they must NEVER EVER let this man out. Love You xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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