Sign the Petition
Posted in Tim's Law | 348 commentsPETITION TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
WHEREAS: Vincent Li brutally murdered Tim McLean in July 2008;
WHEREAS: Vincent Li was found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder for the murder of Tim McLean;
WHEREAS: offenders who are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder may be detained in treatment facilities and not prisons;
WHEREAS: offenders found guilty of first degree murder are sentenced to life in prison without parole for twenty-five years and those found guilty of second degree murder are sentenced to life without parole for a minimum of ten years;
WHEREAS: there is no minimum period of detention for offenders found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder and their cases may be reviewed every year by a Review Board Committee.
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada call upon the House of Commons
To amend the Criminal Code of Canada to ensure those who commit murder but are found Not Criminally Responsible on Account of a Mental Disorder are detained for a minimum period of time.
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burnaby bc
Poor judgment on part of officers. He can never be released.
I read in the newspaper today that Li might get released from treatment in under 5 years…who can feel safe knowing there are psychos like him being allowed to run loose?
I am not sure if I am signing this petition.. I am trying to.. This is what I want to do.. Mental Illness is not an excuse.. Not an acceptable excuse.. 5 years.. that is insulting..
m4c 4×1
Winnipeg Manitoba….he does not deserve to go free.
I read about this in the paper yesterday… very sad and scary if Li goes free.
PLEASE rethink any decisions of letting this man out early. PLEASE!
Ottawa, ON K1B 5E3
A life was taken. The person who commited this act should be punished. Since Li committed this crime it should be Li that pays for HIS crime (NCR or not). Tim doesn’t get a second chance, why should Li. Li’s should be rotting in a prison ward not a hospital ward. His time in prison should be for the murder of a fellow human being, not a pleasant stay at one of Canadas medical facilities.
Come on, all you, who make laws to protect the innocent. Don’t allow Li (or persons like Li) to slip through a hole to freedom that he does not deserve.
I’d sign the papers for capital punishment, these people dont need any help at all, they need death to sort thier problems!
As far as i m concerned, jail is way to nice for a man like that, im thinking something like a pressure chamber under the water some place with a few small leaks!
New Westminster, BC
I am sorry Li is mentally ill, but he should definitely never be free to possibly repeat this horrendous crime.
He shouldn’t be allowed to leave the mental institution, ever!
We as canadians need to set a precedence for the families of these types of victims
(Tim’s family). The law needs to be changed or else these tragedies will keep on and people will keep getting away with murder. An innocent life was taken. A mother no longer has a son. If Li is not criminally responsible than who is going to take the blame? The government? I don’t think so, so show us as citizens that this can and will be preventable by changing the way the “NCR’s” are dealt with. If these types of criminals can commit such brutal acts on another human being they should never again be allowed back into society. I feel very empty for the family of Tim if Li is released. I hope they can find some sort of peace knowing that if the government isn’t going to stand by them, that there are people out there that will.
R.I.P Tim.
Mr Li should NEVER be allowed to leave the
mental institution.
He is a danger to anyone he comes in contact with and should always remain in an institution.
A. Gislason Asherm, MB R0C0E0
Tim should not have lost his life and no family should be going through what Tim’s family has.
A. Gislason Ashern, MB R0C0E0
Tim should not have lost his life and no family should be going through what Tim’s family has.
Toronto, ON
This man should never ever see the light of day again. This was not the first time he went off of his meds and what is to say he will not go off of them again. We cannot take the chance that another precious life or maybe more will be taken by this man again once he is “Cured”. The chance cannot and should not be taken. If he is not in a secure mental hospital for the rest of his days then he should be put in a maxium security prison where he will never get out. Or maybe he should move in with the doctor or doctors and their family who say that he is cured and live with him 24/7/365 to make sure he is not a threat to the public, I am sure they certainly would refuse that idea because they would not want to put their families in danger.
Disgusting, that they should even consider letting him out.
In my opinion, Li needs to stay in an institution indefinitely..he could re offend if he goes off his medicine
Derek Scherbain, Winnipeg Manitoba, R2W 0W9
Even if this guy is “mentally ill”, I do not find it acceptable to let a person back into society, who can snap at any moment and do something like this. I don’t care what kind of “treatment” Vince Li has undergone or not undergone. When this happened he was, apparently, any other normal person. So what is to say he doesn’t have a breakdown 5 years from now. Vince Li’s current “punishment” is not what I expect from Canada. Lock him up and throw away the key.
Never let this person or others with “NCR” out into the public ever again!!!!!!
I’m frightened by the prospect of dangerous people such as Vincent Li wondering the streets. Our system is not equipped to monitor his daily activites (ie. whether or not he decides to take his meds). The government is doing Tim and the public a great dis-service by potenially setting this man free in 5 years.
I support tims law.
I fully support this law.
I fully support Tims Law.
Mr.Li should have to be made to stay locked up for the rest of his pathetic life. Why would they let him out to re-offend again? Thats ridiculous, that’s the Canadian Justice system for ya. Keep Li and people like him in custody for good so that others aren’t at risk. Its just common sense!
I support Tims Law!!!
Nancy Friesen, Winnipeg, Mb. r3t5k8
Holly Goldberg Ontario K8A 6W4
Timothy James Archambeault Ontario K8A 7R8
Winnipeg,MB ***I Miss You Tim!***
I support Tim’s Law.
Winnipeg, MB
Criminal acts are criminal acts no matter whether the person is diagnosed mentally ill, they should be kept out of the general public, in treatment if necessary.
I feel very insecure knowing people who have committed criminal acts are among us simply because they are mentally ill.
With Tims Law, 100%
R.I.P Tim.
My name is Angela Stirk, your average height, average weight, but not your average girl. I grew up in a small town and as far as I knew my life seemed pretty normal until one cold morning where events so fake they could only be from a movie, became very real to me.
It was the 20th of March 2005, early in the morning. Waken by the doorbell around three, I dragged my lazy body out of bed to answer it. On the steps stood a tall slender man of forty. I recognized him. He was the neighbor’s son. His name was Christopher Wright. Little did I know, this name would be wrong for the rest of my life. I pondered why he was awake so early in the morning when I recalled that his father was ill. He must have needed help so I stopped questioning the situation and at the same time he asked me if my dad was around. I replied yes when I heard him coming down the stairs. As I returned to my cozy bed, I glanced up with tired eyes, at the best parent in the world, the most important person in my life and the role model I strive to be like every day.
Just as I was falling asleep, I heard banging and yelling. Thinking nothing of it, because of a false conclusion I had made, I remained in bed until I heard my dad scream my name. I ran out of my room, not so sluggish this time. I reached the end of the hall and glanced at the bottom of the stairs. The adrenaline began to pump through my body as I saw Chris, machete weapon in hand, standing beside my dad, crumpled and covered in blood. Doing the only thing that I could think of, I ran down the steep stairs faster than I had come out of the bedroom. I placed myself between the two men, much larger than myself. I tried to block his moves, receiving a few gashes in my arms but nothing compared to the ones of my dad. Chris looked at me with the smallest but darkest eyes I have ever seen and said, “I’m sorry Angie, I have to do this, your dad is killing my family.” I had never been so confused because I knew my dad wouldn’t do anything to harm another person, unless he was placed in a situation such as the one I was currently faced with. Knowing that I was not physically strong, I tried to find a way with words, which was not my strong point either. I begged him to stop, still doing my best to defend my father. Not changing his mind I finally admitted, my dad is dead. I assured him that he had completed what he came for so there was no reason to continue. At that moment I sensed a hint of satisfaction in his face as he pushed by me to make his way up the stairs. I thought he was gone until half way up he turned to me and said, “No one will know I was here tonight.” He continued up the stairs and out the front door leaving me to my thoughts.
Refusing to believe what I had told him, I scrambled to the laundry room for towels leaving bloody footprints to trace my steps. As I returned to the scene my brother and his friend emerged from their hiding place in the basement bathroom. I covered as many bone deep wounds as I could before running to my dad’s bedroom to find his girlfriend. Olwen was cowered in the upstairs bathroom but had only heard and not yet seen the worst of it. I called 911 as she further addressed the wounds. They really do put you on hold. We began CPR, as my brother and his friend stood watching in horror. Blood seeped from his mouth as I carried out the ventilations. I knew this was not promising but I continued on with hope.
Fifteen minutes dragged on forever and the ambulance finally arrived. They took over, and I broke down. I was done being a “hero.” The sad part is, real life heroes don’t always succeed. On the way to the police station I prayed with everything left in me. My wounds were treated at the hospital and my statement was taken. They took my blood soaked clothes, and told me that I no longer had a daddy. My heart was forever broken. Not the kind of broken that heals, the kind that sits in the back of your mind, sometimes in the front, for the rest of your life.
In the end the killer, was crazy. Schizophrenia saved him from a life sentence. My inner strength saved me from insanity. Sympathy is not what I seek. A true understanding of who I am and where I come from is what I look for. That night, my life was given a second chance on a first chance that I was perfectly satisfied with. Realizing that I may never get another one, I have vowed to live the life I want by putting my soul into everything I do. In an unfortunate situation where true values show through I conclude this story as an honest sum of both my strengths and weaknesses.
Update: less than 5 years later
Chris Wright has the right to travel to public places as he wishes for up to ten hours at a time accompanied by his mother. He has not responded to treatment and continues to show no remorse.
Insane or not, no one should get away with murder.
Our friend was killed March 20, 2005 and the murderer was also found guilty of first degree murder but held not responsible – every year the family has to go through a review with this criminal in front of them, and every year he is given concessions. The whole purpose of them being in a treatment facility is to make them well enough to go back out into society. They should be held accountable once they are well enough to know what they did. There are no concessions for the family and friends of our murdered friend. This law needs to be rewritten to make sure those criminals are held responsible for their actions.
The system now makes it too easy for someone to get away with murder on the grounds of “not criminally responsible”. If they are deemed well enough to be placed back into society, then they should have to stand trial for their crime.
Monica Gillan, Ontario, P1L 1Y1
Peter Grieves
Ontario
K8H 1N1
For Angela Stirk. I’m sorry you had to go though that Ange
Mr Li will stand before his maker and YEs will burn in HELL for what he did to Tim ..
but until then should have to live his life in Prison among all other criminals .. Insanity may be an excuse in the Court System but not in the eyes of any other human being .. He knew what he was doing and will pay the price heavily One Day !
T. Despas
Calgary, Alberta
when someone is mentally ill and performs such a heinous act I can appreciate that a criminal sentence would not be appropriate. I also believe that this person should remain in a mental institution until such time as he is deemed “no threat to society”. To offend Tim’s family by suggesting that Li should have day passes with two appropriate guards and that his hallucinations are still present but lessened…OMG…Is his physician so desensitized by the environment that he works in that his perception of acceptable measures to provide public safety is that distorted?….sanity is relative…the more subjected you are to devious and insane behaviour; the more distorted your perception of normal becomes. I am certainly no psychiatrist but I am confident I could make a better decision than this guy! My prayers and heartfelt sympathy go out to Tim’s family
Toronto, Ontario
There they go again. What is with these people thinking he is getting better, give him a pass. He should be kept in an institution for the rest of his life, no day pass even with supervision.
No he should not be released, who’s to save that he is cured and that he would not do something similiar again
Our Justice System needs to deal with mental illness crimes more critically than just automatically giving them an insanity sentence where they will be out again to do the same crime in a few years. If criminals have been prescribed medication for a mental illness and they chose to not take this medication they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law the same as the rest of us. We seem to have two sets of laws – on for those with mental illness and one for the rest of us. Mental illness is a devastating afflication but it does not excuse those with the disease from the consequenses of their actions. They could have taken their medication. Its about time out elected officials addressed this problem.
Seriously? After this horrendous crime and after all Tim’s family went through, this man gets a vacation at a mental institute only to be released 5 years later? That is absolutely ludicrous, this man deserves the death penalty or life in prison with no parole at LEAST. How can any reasonable person say that this man doesn’t pose a threat to society? He just decapitated a man in public and we’re going to let him roam the streets again… I am outraged and I find this is insulting, there are pot smokers who will do more time in prison than he does! Our laws don’t MAKE ANY SENSE, it’s time to change them. I will seriously reconsider being proud of my Canadian citizenship if this man gets released.