Canada – Guilty of Gullibility
Posted in Tim's Law | 8 commentsexert from column by Charles Adler
Folks, I want to ask you a question. In the so-called trial held in a Canadian court room, a trial to determine whether the defendant was guilty or not guilty of murdering Tim McLean, do you know how many witnesses were called? Two. Both of them psychiatrists, who both agreed that the defendant was not criminally responsible because he was ill. None of the testimony was challenged by the Prosecution because the Prosecution agreed with the Defence on everything of substance and there was no point in challenging testimony they agreed with. So who was representing the victim’s family and the family known as the Canadian people? Were there eyewitnesses to the crime? Dozens of them. The passengers and the bus driver. Why weren’t any of them called? The so-called witnesses who were called, weren’t witnesses of anything. They were two doctors who talked to the accused, who under medication told a story of God and voices. We have no evidence that he is telling the truth, but we are told that he is a sick man, obviously a sick man. Jefferey Dahmer was a sick man. Charles Manson was a sick man. Paul Bernardo was a sick man. Because the man who killed Tim McLean and presumably ate his victim’s eyeballs – because he was sick and is sick – the rest of us are forced to be sickened by the notion that he is saved from a permanent incarceration by his sickness, which the witnesses say can be medicated away.
And so the family of Tim McLean will have to deal with a yearly review, a yearly report on their son’s killer. They will spend the rest of their lives praying that psychiatrists keep on giving Vincent Li’s mind a failing grade. But the system this week was all about feeling good, instead of doing good. It helped the “feel good” to not call any eyewitnesses to the crime. Eyewitness testimony of that July night, on that bus, would have left nobody feeling good. The truth of what happened does not contain a speck of “feel good” and the public would have gotten very, very angry. Instead we got two shrinks. Feel good practitioners telling us that Vincent was a good guy, had always been a good guy, had a bad night and doesn’t really know what he did that night. All he knows is that he heard the voice of God telling him to kill the passenger next to him. He knew enough to buy a knife, and carry it on a bus. He knew enough to butcher a relatively small man, a vulnerable man. He doesn’t really know what he did, but he knows what he was instructed to do by the voices. No need to challenge this testimony???? No, this is really as solid as the rock of Gibraltar. No one would think of challenging a doctor who deals with mental illness and has done hours and hours of interviews with a person who has murdered and cannibalized. Why isn’t that the same thing as challenging every challenged person in Canada? Isn’t that stigmatizing all people facing mental challenges? Do we really need to do that?
The Canadian people have been found guilty of allowing their society to be hijacked by MORAL CHARLATANS ladies and gentlemen, who ride on the back of the vulnerable. And I know that from the emails I have received in the past twenty four hours from some parents dealing with their challenged children, who think that because I wanted Vincent Li locked up for life, that I want their children locked up for life, even though their children have committed no crimes at all. And it doesn’t matter how often I say that, I do want to live in a country where people are judged by what they do, not by who they are. It doesn’t matter. The psychiatrists and their allies in media, willing and unwilling dupes of this culture of moral equivalence, have convinced many families in this country dealing with mental illness that the best thing they can do to support their families is to support the idea that Vincent Li will be fit to live among us some day.
The Canadian people, it would appear, after having been found guilty of allowing their society to slip through the cracks, are now condemned to listen to the B.S. and the baffle gab of a legal system that has redefined the meaning of justice. Justice used to be about making the guilty accountable. Today’s justice makes the families of the victims feel guilty. They are told that their idea of justice is simply animal vengeance fed by blood lust. They are being told that they are in worse shape than the cannibal. See the cannibal is getting treatment in a relatively confined setting. But the families of victims and their friends aren’t getting the same psychiatric medications that would alter their personalities, and so they spend much of their free time staying angry with a system that is merciful and compassionate. However, these families are condemned for never being able to appreciate that.
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I agree that this is such a tragic event. It is absolutely horrible to lose a son to someone that is mentally ill.
It is equally sad to have a mentally ill person live every single day and no one knew he was ill until 40 years…he walked 40 years on this earth and suddenly creates a horrible crime.
I am of two minds when it comes to situations such as this. Someone that is mentally ill that commits such a crime will never have this “normal” life again. He will never go back to his wife the same person again, never go back to work again, never live freely like the rest of us. While we are hurting this sounds somewhat fair, but not fair enough because he really should be locked up.
But what if your freedom was suddenly taken away and you are still alive, it is difficult to think about that right now when all the attention is focused on a sweet man that has a contagious giggle. What if that mad with a contagious giggle suddenly turned mentally ill? He was just 3 years away from the “norm” of people turning mentally ill.
The other mind I have is, what kind of a society are we that we are not preventative with our mentally ill people? This could have been totally prevented if we were proactive with mental illness. Many are out there that can harm people.
I think our focus is wrong. We are putting our focus to keep those like Li permanently locked up so they cannot hurt another again, but folks, there are people out there with mental illness that can hurt again. There will be another “Li” that will strike again. And sadly it will not be from someone like “Li” because he is still locked up.
Can we take the energy and focus on helping those that need the attention now? Half the homeless are mentally ill wondering on the streets of downtown. When you take a city bus chances are someone is mentally ill sitting beside you. Some of these folks do not see themselves as ill and refuse to take medication and can seriously harm themselves, you or your child.
With proper funding those people can get the proper help they need and be “locked” up before another tragedy happens again.
I do think if Li gains insight into what he has done he should be punished like a regular criminal. Crimes should not go unpunished. But I also think we need to focus on mental illness before it comes to a tragic event like this.
None of us knew he was mentally ill until it was too late. How many more are walking the streets in this state? Think about that rather than those already locked away.
Just a point, their are thousands of people in this country who are diagnosed with this and other mental illnesses that DON”T murder. He should still be held accountable, and not even have a oppourtunity to be realesed for at leat the minimum a person would have to spend in jail for their crime. I agree with Bob’s comment on the petition link.
Charles, well said. This was not a trial but a hijacking from the psychiatrists. Like you said, why did Joyce Dalymn, the Crown Attny not question the results. All these monsters use the old “voices in my head” excuse and monsters like this is what psychiatrists love so that they can delve into the psyche of a madman.
This man was sane enough to be married, to travel alone across country and country, to hold down jobs, to get recommendations of being a nice fella, etc. NO, there are still too many questions like was there a toxicology test done, why did he switch seats after talking with Stacy, Tim’s co-worker for most of the trip, why was he carrying the knife, why did the RCMP do nothing for 4 hours and let this monster degrade a human body.
Charles, you live in Winnipeg, encourage the family to pursue justice, this is an absolute disgusting result.
God does not tell you to kill, & most Chinese people do not believe in God, rather it is Buddah. Think about that Mr. Psychiatrist!!
Ok, first of all “God does not tell you to kill”–sorry, but if you read the Bible, that is not true. God tells lots of people to kill–what about Abraham? And second of all “Most chinese people do not believe in God”–some do, how do you know Mr. Li is not one of them? I do not condone what Mr. Li did, and I feel for the family of Tim McClean. He was my age–my god, he could have been anyone I grew up with. But I disagree with many aspects of the proposed “Tim’s Law”. We cannot rule that someone was not “criminally responsible” and then treat him as if he was criminally responsible. Did he do it? Yes. Should he be locked up? Yes–in a hospital, and we as a society must insist on better monitoring and more funding put INTO hospitals for the mentally ill, especially those which are for those with violent tendancies. How many of us in society truely know what it’s like for us or our loved ones to experience mental illness? The closest I have come is in my interactions with those who live on the streets of the downtown. But we SHUN people with mental illnesses, creating a horrible stigma, which makes people reluctant to accept either that they or their loved ones have this illness–which makes it go untreated and THAT is when you see things like this happening. We need to educate ourselves, and change our prejudices, and that will go a long way in helping people with mental illness, which will prevent further tradgedy.
Another thought, how do we know if he really has a history or not. He only joined our country in 2001. How do we know what went on in his own country before he was here. He could have killed before, you don’t know…….and neither do we. That should be looked into.
I am just wondering how someone who is mentally ill could immigrate to Canada and even became a Canadian citizen!!! Schizophrenia doesn’t happen over night. He must have been lied on the application forms and therefor has to be deported. That’s the least punishment for what he’s done.
While I agree that prevention is the best cure,understand that it is not a matter of vengence rather it is an issue of safety and accountability. The fact is that he is a very dangerous individual with an incurable disease. He has proven himself to be non- compliant with medication, that is how this tragedy came about. He left the treatment facility where he was diagnosed schizophrenic,catatonic state, against medical advice and refused to take his meds, he decided he was not ill and decided to listen to the voices in his head. Why was there no follow up on this “very disturbed” individual by the psychiatric community? They all certainly have a lot to say about how he should be treated now, after the fact. Why does the system give control of a “very disturbed”individuals care and treatment to that individual, when clearly they are not in a proper state of mind to make those decisions. I believe more in-put from the mentally ill persons family and friends needs to be considered in their treatment in order to prevent something as atrocious as this from happening. That being said,UNPROKED..INCURABLE..possibility of relapse even while medicated. I think the most humane thing that we as a society can do is treat Mr Li in a locked facility for the rest of his natural life for his safety and for our own. This man ate my sons eyes and approx 1/3 of his heart after cutting his head off his body,and removing many other body parts. Do I really need to explain that Mr Li, having my sons tongue nose and ear in a bag in his pocket absolutely screams to me NEVER FREE!! The only thing more insane than Mr Li’s illness would be for us as a society, to do nothing and allow him to one day be free to have the opportunity to do it again. Let me be clear here as well.. These people DO get out more often than you’d care to believe in often VERY short time(1-5 yrs for crimes this heinous), and thats wrong. In the verdict of NCR in this case, the issue of mental illnes is addressed but what about the issue of murder? if not Mr Li, who is accountable for the loss of my son’s life?? psychologically not accountable perhaps but absolutely criminally responsible. A crime was still committed here, negating that fact negates that my son had a life. Mr Li arrived in Canada in 2001 but did not obtain citizenship until 2005, the same year he was diagnosed Schizophrenic in Ontario, and the way the system works that diagnosis ceases once he crosses the border to another Province??? does any of this make sense???
I think Dr Yaren made a complete mockery of the adversarial process that is the heart and soul of the Canadian criminal court system. If he agreed with the defense, he should have walked the floor and let someone who actually understands the role of prosecution do their job. This was no trial. Ironically, the only 2 witnesses called were never there despite having: the greyhound worker that sold him the ticket, the busload of permanently scarred passengers, the RCMP, and most importantly family. The outcome of the trial was determined well in advance of March 5th and the purposeful deletion of witnesses and a turncoat Psychiatrist is proof of that.
As well, no one can give me a straight answer about my question of faith. “Does belief in God constitute a mental illness?” My fury over the conduct of Dr Yaren lies in his VERY faulty logic used to determine Li’s mental “illness.” I believe the direct quote used in the papers is, “God made me do it.” God making you do something defaults you as schizophrenic? Or is it only when you take his name in murder? Who on Earth has the qualifications necessary to determine who gets to believe in God and who doesn’t? Where in Medical school is it taught that you can disprove one’s faith in God? Is it because God told you to kill? There is a religious text that espouses that very notion: it is called the Qu’ran. The 6th pillar of Islam is Jihad, the declaration of Holy War against those who sully the faith or names of Allah or Muhammad. Are 1.5 billion Muslims all schizoprhenics? I would think that a religious cleric is infinitely more qualified than a Psychiatrist to determine one’s true faith in God. To disavow Li’s belief in God is to violate his religious freedoms so enjoyed by others in this country. I wonder if a rich, suburban, well read run of the mill Christian white person who commits a similar act would earn the same expedience of a predetermined NCR like Li? Is he or she mentally ill or just a cold blooded, sane killer b/c of a lack of historical hardships?
History proves time and again that murder is justifiable so long as God gives the green light. Examples? The Crusades led by King Richard that sacked Byzantium, then became Constantinople at the cost of many lives. Ironic that Constantinople fell to the same violence of the Ottomans (muslims) in 1453. The Spanish pogroms that killed thousands of Jews by muslim mobs in 11th century AD. The Spanish Inquisition led by Ferdinand and Isabella that saw people burned at the stake for refusing to covert to christianity. The Salem witch hunts that tossed “witches” to their deaths as they were deemed servants of Satan. Modern day terrorists that are led by fanatical Imams to Jihad…9/11 ring a bell?
Were all the aforementioned murderers schizophrenics? I am not contesting that Li is mentally sick. I am sickened by how there was zero attempt by the prosecution to even consider challenging he was possibly sane at the time of the murder. And, he may have well known that what he did was wrong. I’d like someone ( a COMPETENT prosecutor) to explain how: writing a goodbye letter, using a fake name to buy a bus ticket, and walking on a bus with a hunting knife constitutes “not knowing what he was doing?”
I believe that Li would have shared a similar fate to that of Jeffrey Dahlmer if he had went to prison. And, since the definition of being canadian is showing the world how un-american we are, that mentality carries over into our “coddle the criminal” court systems which are definitely the antithesis of American justice. At least there, the prosecution knows their responsibilities are NOT to collude with the defense.