Comments on: She was back in the community in six months http://www.timslaw.ca/2009/03/03/57/ Advocating the need for "Tim's Law" Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:15:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: gregoryhttp://www.timslaw.ca/2009/03/03/57/comment-page-1/#comment-545 gregory Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:43:37 +0000 http://www.timslaw.ca/?p=57#comment-545 I am so sorry for the lose of Timothy. May it be that in his death there will arise a new justice that protects the innocent and deals with the guilty accordingly. No one would suggest that brutality is met by brutality...that is why war doesn't work, but there is a time to fight back with the intellect and rights and fortitude of our humanity...that is a righteous and right thing to do when dealing with criminals. Sane or not...criminal activity is criminal and but for a very few cases, there is no fogginess, only in the application of the law that some in power refuse to apply evenly...more chaos and loopholes that make society a mine and mind field. The cannabalistic activities of unspeakable nature is beyond the pale and beyond the acceptance of any society to endure. It certainly is too much for any family to endure...but the telling of this story begs a look into many other situations where lax authority due to underdefined morality prevail. May God have mercy upon us. And may your work be blessed by those that need a spokesman for the daily insult of murder and mayhem. I am so sorry for the lose of Timothy.
May it be that in his death there will arise
a new justice that protects the innocent and
deals with the guilty accordingly.

No one would suggest that brutality is met
by brutality…that is why war doesn’t work,
but there is a time to fight back with the
intellect and rights and fortitude of our
humanity…that is a righteous and right
thing to do when dealing with criminals.

Sane or not…criminal activity is criminal
and but for a very few cases, there is no
fogginess, only in the application of the law that some in power refuse to apply evenly…more chaos and loopholes that make
society a mine and mind field.

The cannabalistic activities of unspeakable
nature is beyond the pale and beyond the
acceptance of any society to endure. It
certainly is too much for any family to endure…but the telling of this story begs
a look into many other situations where
lax authority due to underdefined morality
prevail.

May God have mercy upon us. And may your
work be blessed by those that need a spokesman for the daily insult of murder and mayhem.

]]> By: adminhttp://www.timslaw.ca/2009/03/03/57/comment-page-1/#comment-13 admin Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:43:43 +0000 http://www.timslaw.ca/?p=57#comment-13 Robert, I do appreciate your comments. I actually agree with many of your statements. We can not as a society begin to lock people away... out of sight.. out of mind. In Canada, justice must not only be done, but must also seem to be done. You have stated the facts in your wife's case.. it's been a 20 year battle. There are numerous cases on record that demonstrate a pattern of release after very short periods of time... and this is the reason this debate is required! In your case, your wife has been fortunate enough to have the support required to reach a place of retaliative calm.. Li did not. And we see the consequences. If society becomes the support system that Li was missing, there is a real danger of instituting the "Nazi" mentality you refer to. Can we do more... yes. But justice must also seem to be done. If society fails, and the worst scenario unfolds, we also need to take steps to ensure this particular person doesn't re-offend. But thank you for your thoughts.. it adds a balancing perspective. Robert,

I do appreciate your comments. I actually agree with many of your statements. We can not as a society begin to lock people away… out of sight.. out of mind.

In Canada, justice must not only be done, but must also seem to be done. You have stated the facts in your wife’s case.. it’s been a 20 year battle. There are numerous cases on record that demonstrate a pattern of release after very short periods of time… and this is the reason this debate is required!

In your case, your wife has been fortunate enough to have the support required to reach a place of retaliative calm.. Li did not. And we see the consequences. If society becomes the support system that Li was missing, there is a real danger of instituting the “Nazi” mentality you refer to. Can we do more… yes.

But justice must also seem to be done. If society fails, and the worst scenario unfolds, we also need to take steps to ensure this particular person doesn’t re-offend.

But thank you for your thoughts.. it adds a balancing perspective.

]]> By: Roger Lavergnehttp://www.timslaw.ca/2009/03/03/57/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Roger Lavergne Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:50:55 +0000 http://www.timslaw.ca/?p=57#comment-12 While I empathize with the family and friends of Tim, I must object to the lifetime punishment idea they propose. Living with my wife's lifetime psychotic depression I have a good idea of how turbulent and confusing their life can be. After almost 20 years of living through her "episodes", starting with her drawing a knife on me, I see how some can demand they be put away for life. I can also see the torment and anguish that plagues my wife forever. There is no recollection of events; there are permanent memory blanks; there is the lifetime of medications and relapses when tolerance builds up. Electroconvulsive therapy, exotic drug cocktails, psychoanalysis, family therapy ( yes we are victims and patients too) all exact a toll on everyone. Even now, I still watch and wait for the "next time", it never leaves and is always a possibility. With strong family support, my wife still had 5 visits to the psych ward. Eventually the right drug cocktail was found and EVENTUALLY she learned the meds are for life, but the apprehension never really leaves. Vince Li and others without a strong support system have a much harder challenge in finding a chance at life. They need someone to watch over them, just as I still do with my wife. Throwing away the key will not solve the problem. The real issue is a major lack of resources and funding. Peoples' perceptions need to change; these people really do not know reality, the voices are REAL! Since my wife became ill we have not seen the best man at our wedding, (I think they believe she's contagious!) they want nothing to do with us. With love and patience, and her meds, we have a normal life. Do we now return to the days when lepers have their own colony and do not provide treatment? Nobody believes Hitler was right in locking up the gay and lesbian population. Are we now returning to that kind of paranoia??? While I empathize with the family and friends of Tim, I must object to the lifetime punishment idea they propose. Living with my wife’s lifetime psychotic depression I have a good idea of how turbulent and confusing their life can be. After almost 20 years of living through her “episodes”, starting with her drawing a knife on me, I see how some can demand they be put away for life. I can also see the torment and anguish that plagues my wife forever. There is no recollection of events; there are permanent memory blanks; there is the lifetime of medications and relapses when tolerance builds up. Electroconvulsive therapy, exotic drug cocktails, psychoanalysis, family therapy ( yes we are victims and patients too) all exact a toll on everyone. Even now, I still watch and wait for the “next time”, it never leaves and is always a possibility. With strong family support, my wife still had 5 visits to the psych ward. Eventually the right drug cocktail was found and EVENTUALLY she learned the meds are for life, but the apprehension never really leaves.

Vince Li and others without a strong support system have a much harder challenge in finding a chance at life. They need someone to watch over them, just as I still do with my wife. Throwing away the key will not solve the problem. The real issue is a major lack of resources and funding. Peoples’ perceptions need to change; these people really do not know reality, the voices are REAL! Since my wife became ill we have not seen the best man at our wedding, (I think they believe she’s contagious!) they want nothing to do with us. With love and patience, and her meds, we have a normal life.

Do we now return to the days when lepers have their own colony and do not provide treatment?

Nobody believes Hitler was right in locking up the gay and lesbian population. Are we now returning to that kind of paranoia???

]]> By: Lori Jeromehttp://www.timslaw.ca/2009/03/03/57/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Lori Jerome Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:33:15 +0000 http://www.timslaw.ca/?p=57#comment-6 I think that in this case, once Li gets the medications he is supposed to get and is sane in the eyes of the court, that he should spend a life sentence in prison. Why should he get to go free if a mental health review board says he is mentally healthy and is no longer a threat to society? What happens if he stops taking his medications? This could happen again, schizophrenia treatment is not an exact science and once patients feel better, and no longer hear the voices in their heads telling them to do something, they generally go off their medication because they feel they don't need it anymore. There is no one to monitor them once they are released, and with no criminal record they are free to do this again. Even the people from his church begged him to take his medication, and he refused. So what are we to do? Once the mental health facility has him stable he should spend the rest of his life in prison. He still committed a crime and he has to pay for that crime. I think that in this case, once Li gets the medications he is supposed to get and is sane in the eyes of the court, that he should spend a life sentence in prison. Why should he get to go free if a mental health review board says he is mentally healthy and is no longer a threat to society? What happens if he stops taking his medications? This could happen again, schizophrenia treatment is not an exact science and once patients feel better, and no longer hear the voices in their heads telling them to do something, they generally go off their medication because they feel they don’t need it anymore. There is no one to monitor them once they are released, and with no criminal record they are free to do this again. Even the people from his church begged him to take his medication, and he refused. So what are we to do? Once the mental health facility has him stable he should spend the rest of his life in prison. He still committed a crime and he has to pay for that crime.

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